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Re: Perpetual Hardware Suggestion Thread
« Reply #540 on: January 11, 2019, 08:16:00 PM »
after the recent CES, can we conclude there are no budget to midrange processors and video cards to be released anytime soon? what's the best budget gaming build for P20K? thanks!

PS4 lol

At 20k you have no room for any decent GPU if you have to buy CPU, mobo, RAM, storage, case and power supply on top of it.

The cheapest GPUs you can get are the GT1030 @ 4500 and RX560 @ 7000, and you don't really want to buy a GT1030.

Best bet I think is to get Ryzen 2200G and game on the integrated Vega graphics, which is about as good as GT1030 and you don't have to worry about DDR4/GDDR5 shenanigans.
Ryzen 3 2200G - 5500
B350/B450 motherboard - 5500
2x8GB DDR4-3000 - 6000 (need fast ram for Ryzen, but fast RAM is only available starting with 8GB sticks)
240GB SSD or 1TB HDD - 2200
el cheapo case/PSU (man this hurts to recommend).
~roughly 20k hopefully

Advantage with this build is you're on a solid AM4 platform and can upgrade to discrete GPU, and even to 8-core CPUs like the 2700X later on. (might need to replace the el-cheapo PSU you just got to squeeze into the 20k budget though lol).

Don't be tempted to cheap out on the motherboard and get something like A320 because those are completely locked down.
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Re: Perpetual Hardware Suggestion Thread
« Reply #541 on: January 11, 2019, 09:33:32 PM »
PS4's nice but i also need to replace my aging Pentium G630 PC lol.

i think i can reuse my SSD (Crucial 120GB lol) and power supply (FSP 550 watts - someone here in PPC recommended i buy FSP as an "investment" for when i buy new hardware i don't need to buy a new PSU). my case (coolermaster k350) i probably need to replace because the power switch have been misbahaving for months now (sometimes the PC turns on immediately after one press but often i have to press and hold and wiggle the switch).

what's wrong with being locked down? i have no plans on overclocking because during summertime the temperature in my room is likely too hot for overclocking anyway.

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Re: Perpetual Hardware Suggestion Thread
« Reply #542 on: January 12, 2019, 12:31:50 AM »
Current specs? And how important is it that stuff is new?

If you have a decent enough motherboard and RAM the most cost effective upgrade for gaming might be to get a second-hand  i7-3770 and put most of the money in a GPU and/or monitor.
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Re: Perpetual Hardware Suggestion Thread
« Reply #543 on: January 12, 2019, 08:49:06 AM »
Current Specs:

Pentium G630 2.7 GHz
4 BG RAM
120 GB SSD
1 TB HDD
GeForce 650 Ti
Asus Xonar Sound Card (got broken somehow lol)
550 Watts FSP PSU
CoolerMaster K350 Case
22" LG IPS Monitor

I am also getting a press F1 to to access menu upon bootup sometimes, i just exit and it seems to be fine. also, i have been getting blue screens since last year quite often. so i am thinking it's time to buy a new PC and install Linux and Steam for XCom 2, Civ V and Rome 2 Total War.

is Ryzen 2200G with A320 mobo and 8 GB RAM be sufficient for that? are there better alternatives?

i found this video benchmark running Xcom 2 on 2200G and it seems decent. certainly better performance than my PC now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bAmb9bBuM0

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Re: Perpetual Hardware Suggestion Thread
« Reply #544 on: January 12, 2019, 02:08:19 PM »
Current Specs:

Pentium G630 2.7 GHz
4 BG RAM
120 GB SSD
1 TB HDD
GeForce 650 Ti
Asus Xonar Sound Card (got broken somehow lol)
550 Watts FSP PSU
CoolerMaster K350 Case
22" LG IPS Monitor

I am also getting a press F1 to to access menu upon bootup sometimes, i just exit and it seems to be fine. also, i have been getting blue screens since last year quite often. so i am thinking it's time to buy a new PC and install Linux and Steam for XCom 2, Civ V and Rome 2 Total War.

is Ryzen 2200G with A320 mobo and 8 GB RAM be sufficient for that? are there better alternatives?

i found this video benchmark running Xcom 2 on 2200G and it seems decent. certainly better performance than my PC now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bAmb9bBuM0

have you tried unplug and plug the RAM?  sometimes that fixes it. 
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Re: Perpetual Hardware Suggestion Thread
« Reply #545 on: January 12, 2019, 04:00:12 PM »
Current Specs:

Pentium G630 2.7 GHz
4 BG RAM
120 GB SSD
1 TB HDD
GeForce 650 Ti
Asus Xonar Sound Card (got broken somehow lol)
550 Watts FSP PSU
CoolerMaster K350 Case
22" LG IPS Monitor

I am also getting a press F1 to to access menu upon bootup sometimes, i just exit and it seems to be fine. also, i have been getting blue screens since last year quite often. so i am thinking it's time to buy a new PC and install Linux and Steam for XCom 2, Civ V and Rome 2 Total War.

is Ryzen 2200G with A320 mobo and 8 GB RAM be sufficient for that? are there better alternatives?

i found this video benchmark running Xcom 2 on 2200G and it seems decent. certainly better performance than my PC now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bAmb9bBuM0

have you tried unplug and plug the RAM?  sometimes that fixes it. 

In my 7-year old Hackintosh it was a bad RAM stick that was causing a kernel panic (Mac's version of the BSOD).

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Re: Perpetual Hardware Suggestion Thread
« Reply #546 on: January 12, 2019, 05:45:19 PM »
have you tried unplug and plug the RAM?  sometimes that fixes it. 
In my 7-year old Hackintosh it was a bad RAM stick that was causing a kernel panic (Mac's version of the BSOD).
i've tried reinstalling the RAM May last year but didn't fix the blue screen. i even tried cleaning it with an eraser but didn't work.

the need to enter bios when booting sometimes is more recent, around December last year.

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Re: Perpetual Hardware Suggestion Thread
« Reply #547 on: January 12, 2019, 05:50:39 PM »
have you tried unplug and plug the RAM?  sometimes that fixes it. 
In my 7-year old Hackintosh it was a bad RAM stick that was causing a kernel panic (Mac's version of the BSOD).
i've tried reinstalling the RAM May last year but didn't fix the blue screen. i even tried cleaning it with an eraser but didn't work.

the need to enter bios when booting sometimes is more recent, around December last year.

I mean try swapping the RAM stick/s with other stick/s.

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Re: Perpetual Hardware Suggestion Thread
« Reply #548 on: January 13, 2019, 02:39:48 AM »
i found this video benchmark running Xcom 2 on 2200G and it seems decent. certainly better performance than my PC now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bAmb9bBuM0

I think you're being limited by RAM and CPU. Your 650Ti should actually be about as fast as a GT1030, or the integrated graphics in the 2200G.

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-650-Ti-vs-Nvidia-GT-1030/2189vsm283726

Knowing you have a 650Ti I can suggest an alternate build if you don't want to blow money on RAM:

i3-8100 : 6750
H310 mobo : 4000
2x 4GB DDR4 2400 : 2x 1750 = 3500
= 14250

Bear in mind that 8GB might not be very good for the future, but you can probably add in another two sticks later on to get 16GB.

Re-use 650Ti, or sell for ~2k on TPC and get a GTX 1050

If you're not in a big hurry wait for the i3-9100 which should come in at roughly the same price and will add a 4.2GHz turbo boost.
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Re: Perpetual Hardware Suggestion Thread
« Reply #549 on: January 13, 2019, 06:01:22 AM »
I mean try swapping the RAM stick/s with other stick/s.
ah. i don't have any spare sticks and my neighbors have laptops so i can't test.

I think you're being limited by RAM and CPU. Your 650Ti should actually be about as fast as a GT1030, or the integrated graphics in the 2200G.

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-650-Ti-vs-Nvidia-GT-1030/2189vsm283726

Knowing you have a 650Ti I can suggest an alternate build if you don't want to blow money on RAM:

i3-8100 : 6750
H310 mobo : 4000
2x 4GB DDR4 2400 : 2x 1750 = 3500
= 14250

Bear in mind that 8GB might not be very good for the future, but you can probably add in another two sticks later on to get 16GB.

Re-use 650Ti, or sell for ~2k on TPC and get a GTX 1050

If you're not in a big hurry wait for the i3-9100 which should come in at roughly the same price and will add a 4.2GHz turbo boost.
i found this benchmark comparison video of i3 8100 vs Ryzen 2200G (with GTX 1060 6GB video card). seems like Intel does have a slight advantage, but probably unnoticeable without benchmarks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWqoFnSlMR0

then i came across this benchmark of the upcoming game Resident Evil 2 Remake on a Ryzen 2200G
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tubRpnh2hgc

seems playable, at least at that part of the game. and then suddenly i have an urge to play it lol.

so my question is why Intel over AMD? from what i've read, one of AMD's advantage is that the motherboard today could still be used for a near future upgrade guaranteed (until 2020, IIRC) so isn't the AMD upgrade path better? and if my old 650 Ti suddenly breaks, isn't a comparable backup integrated graphics something nice to have?

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Re: Perpetual Hardware Suggestion Thread
« Reply #550 on: January 13, 2019, 06:15:10 AM »
AMD Ryzen needs fast RAM because the Infinity Fabric that connects everything runs at the same speed as the memory.

That's why I recommended using DDR4-3000 in the first build, but you can only get them in 8GB sticks which is why the 2200G build I suggested has 16GB of RAM. It's probably worth getting 16GB anyway. 8GB now is gonna be the 4GB of days gone by.
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Re: Perpetual Hardware Suggestion Thread
« Reply #551 on: January 13, 2019, 09:01:29 AM »
i see. so the intel setup does not require fast RAM, right?

PCX festival mall is the nearest reputable store that i know of and their prices are higher than you posted but i guess that's what i have to pay if i don't wanna go further to purchase the parts.

thanks! now it's realistic for me to expect to play RE 2 Remake. :lol:

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Re: Perpetual Hardware Suggestion Thread
« Reply #552 on: January 13, 2019, 08:50:39 PM »
^ Intel still benefits from faster RAM, but not as much as AMD Ryzen especially when you use the IGP.

Linking to the results pages:

2200G RAM scaling:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12621/memory-scaling-zen-vega-apu-2200g-2400g-ryzen/3

8700k RAM scaling:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i7_8700K_Coffee_Lake_Memory_Performance_Benchmark_Analysis/10.html
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Re: Perpetual Hardware Suggestion Thread
« Reply #553 on: January 18, 2019, 07:01:31 PM »
i am still conflicted lol

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Re: Perpetual Hardware Suggestion Thread
« Reply #554 on: January 30, 2019, 06:15:16 AM »
9700k? Or YOLO 9900k?
Pure gaming build as I still have my E5-2690 taking care of server/work duties.
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Re: Perpetual Hardware Suggestion Thread
« Reply #555 on: January 30, 2019, 11:45:27 AM »
9700k? Or YOLO 9900k?
Pure gaming build as I still have my E5-2690 taking care of server/work duties.

I am waiting for Ryzen 3000 series to come out or Intel resolves its supply issues. I am hoping for prices to come down first before making a decision. Luckily my son's I7-3770 rig is still holding up. I replaced the DDR3 RAM modules to fix the hang and rebooting problem. But I also broke the PCiE clip for the video card slot when I was trying to remove the card.


BTW, I have a E5-2670 rig on standby which supplied the replacement DDR3 modules (a pair of 8GB sticks). I then ordered 4x4GB Kingston modules from Laz to replace them. They are more appropriate for the 4 channel X79 system.
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Re: Perpetual Hardware Suggestion Thread
« Reply #556 on: January 30, 2019, 01:52:22 PM »
I still have 3 Phenom PC's which are still OK
can't find a really really good reason to RYZEN! - for now
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Re: Perpetual Hardware Suggestion Thread
« Reply #557 on: January 30, 2019, 04:26:14 PM »
Yeah the wait option is also pretty strong. Ryzen 3000 and Sunny Cove both due to make their appearances this year.
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Re: Perpetual Hardware Suggestion Thread
« Reply #558 on: February 02, 2019, 06:46:06 PM »
Geforce gtx 1060 6gb palit Jetstream 2nd hand for 9k pesos.

Worth it?

First owner will be upgrading. Says he got it for 15k brand new. I'm assuming it's seen lots of heavy use.

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Re: Perpetual Hardware Suggestion Thread
« Reply #559 on: February 07, 2019, 05:41:09 PM »
bought Ryzen 2200G, 8 GB RAM, Asus mobo and Geforce 1050 Ti. thanks for helping me decide!

Xcom 2 now looks soooo much better. :lol:

i bought several games on steam the past steam sales and i think i'll start catching up with more recent games with Witcher 3.