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Offline alaeh

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« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2006, 11:27:26 PM »
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Too many whiners, too few people doing anything about it themselves.

OT: I tend to agree with this... maybe we could do something that is not so far-fetched nor impossible and yet might actually encourage more people to participate ... For starters, maybe we could jumpstart the PAY IT FORWARD! Movement

If someone thanks you or feels indebted to you  for doing him/her a favor... just say, "Forget it... Pay it Forward"!
 

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« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2006, 12:07:22 AM »
Whiners
- Annoys the hell out of me. You can see the reporters on TV interview poor people who say "Baba ka na GMA! Humihirap kami dahil sayo!" then a bit later they'd tell you that it's the President's fault that they can't feed/send to school their 12 children. Oh teh irony!

- Another type of whiner are people who complain about dirty surroundings. Hey, so who littered up the those in the first place? Bakit, sinakyan pa ba ng mga politiko and kanilang limousine para lang itapon dun sa kanto yung basura?

- Rallyists who don't know what their fighting for. Really, they're not reading between the lines. They just take in a simple fact and start a rally. They never bother with the details and the outcome. So if PGMA makes the "supreme sacrifice" of stepping down, will the Philippines suddenly be a heavenly place? And who will replace her? Noli? Drilon? Susan??? LOL.

- And of course, dirty politics. Nung recognition day namin sa skul kahapon, may mga politiko (brgy captian, councilors...). Sabi ng isa, "wag niyo iboboto mga pa-cute!" pero panay ang pagpapalakas nila samin, kasi malapit na kaming maging legal voters tsaka 2007 elections malapit na rin. :grin:

- "donations from the government". Kahit anong gamit mo sa public school na bigay sayo... notebooks, medals, o kahit mga construction projects... palaging may nakadikit na mukha ng politiko tapos may subtitle "Donated by your caring captain, <insert name>". Yung notebook nga na bigay samin, yung cover tsaka likod puro mga pictures at pangalan ng mga pulitiko na nakangiti. :grin: Mga photogenics, hehe. Kahit na libre yun, kung talagang sincere sila, 'di na nila dapat ilalagay yung pangalan/litrato nila. Gaya ng free PC software. Kung maganda talaga product, hihintayin na lang ng developers yung reaction ng consumers at hindi na nila kailangan pang i-advertise.
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« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2006, 12:10:59 AM »
@alaeh,
sana nga ganun kadali gawin bro. owing an "utang na loob" is pretty much embedded in our genes. kahit na nabayaran mo na ng limang beses yung utang mo eh you still owe that person. i guess it's one of the reasons that politicians still owe the marcoses. sana pwede yung debt paid in full the culture natin.
sig ??? hmmm ... wag na lang

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« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2006, 12:17:54 AM »
There's another type of whiner...those who've left the country and have nothing good to say about home.

"Walang ganyan sa states" blah
come on Toshi!

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« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2006, 01:16:16 AM »
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sana nga ganun kadali gawin bro. owing an "utang na loob" is pretty much embedded in our genes. kahit na nabayaran mo na ng limang beses yung utang mo eh you still owe that person. i guess it's one of the reasons that politicians still owe the marcoses. sana pwede yung debt paid in full the culture natin.

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@flashmanrpr
That's the essence of paying it forward. You pay it forward because it is already assumed [atleast by the person who did you a favor] that you cannot afford to pay it back.

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« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2006, 01:33:14 AM »
thats the truth! politics talaga and sumira simulat sapul.
maganda ang pilipinas, i even considered philippine's beauty than Hawaii, talagang mga hayop na poltics lang ang sumisira! mahirap lang kasing mag tiwala na dahil kahit sino siguro ang umupo kurakot din ang habol, dahil na kasanayan na yan. sayang baka si FPJ pala nag hinihintay pero na deadbol na ( well who knows ) anyways the biggest question now is kailan darating ang mga politikong matino  
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« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2006, 01:35:23 AM »
When people think when they vote.

On paying it forward, the truth is no good deed goes unpunished.

Setting up a technical cooperative venture among industrialists for instance gets all sorts of sneers and snorts.  People are too short term in thinking and suffer from paranoid myopia.

That's likely because of instability and uncertainty.

The problem with "the problem with the Philippines" threads is that it oversimplifies and inherently complicated and multi-faceted issue.

The problem called the Philippines is the product of historical failures that continue to be left unaddressed.

The power of change is with the people, the body polity which on its own suffers from the malaise of being uninformed, uneducated and are encumbered with the need to survive from one day to the next.

How can you even imagine them contemplating the intricacies of politics over a grande mochacinno?
come on Toshi!

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« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2006, 01:40:25 AM »
oo nga, sana pwede yung ganun sa ating mga pilipino. yung gagawan mo ng mabuti ang isa at sya naman ang magpapasa sa iba. kahit ako problema ko yun, yun bang nahihiya ka pa rin sa mga taong gumawa ng mabuti sa 'yo kahit na naibalik mo na yung kabutihan na yun. di naman sa sinasabi kong masama, pero minsan sobra lang kasi yung pagtanaw natin ng utang na loob.

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There's another type of whiner...those who've left the country and have nothing good to say about home.

"Walang ganyan sa states" blah

@TNT,
di ko alam kung ako yung pinatutungkulan mo dito pero ang sinasabi ko lang eh problema natin 'to, hindi ko sinabing problema "nyo" dahil nandito na ako sa states. sabi ko nga pati ako eh tumatanaw ng utang na loob sa mga kano at pag sinabi ko sa kanilang i still owe them eh sila mismo yung nagsasabing we're even kasi nga naibalik ko na. pero para sa akin eh parang kailangan ko pa rin silang bayaran. pero kung hindi naman ako yung sinasabihan mo eh, salamat.
 
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« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2006, 02:00:46 AM »
Bakit ba ang raming natatamaan kahit wala naman akong nais na patamaan?

Kung pakiramdam niyo ay mayroon kayong kasalanan ay wala akong magagawa.

Hindi naman kayong pinagbabawalang bumatikos sa mga kaganapan dito sa Pilipinas.  Ang mga tinutukoy kong mga tao ay yung mga nakatapak ng ibang bansa na walang humpay pa rin ang pagdidiin ng mga pagkukulang sa ating bansa at wala namang ginagawa para baguhin ang kalagayan dito.

Masmadalas ngang inaasam na ma-iluwas ang buong angkan sa ibayong lugar kaysa sa bumalik sa Pilipinas at subukan man lang magsimula ng tunay na pagbabago gamit ang iyong mga natutunan at naipong kapital.

Salamat nga sa iyong mga dolyares, pero hindi lang naman pera ang kailangan ng isang lipunan.
come on Toshi!

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« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2006, 03:06:55 AM »
We need to think more than feel.
come on Toshi!

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« Reply #30 on: March 29, 2006, 03:12:54 AM »
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The problem with "the problem with the Philippines" threads is that it oversimplifies and inherently complicated and multi-faceted issue.

Everyone has his 2 cents worth of what is wrong with the Philippines, but few can come up with even his two centavos worth of what we can do to help.

Everyone knows that the Philippines is screwed-up; no need to emphasize the obvious.

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« Reply #31 on: March 29, 2006, 08:34:29 AM »
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On paying it forward, the truth is no good deed goes unpunished.

Setting up a technical cooperative venture among industrialists for instance gets all sorts of sneers and snorts. People are too short term in thinking and suffer from paranoid myopia.

I beg to disagree. I was of the opinion that while the intention maybe good, the idea of putting up a technical cooperative venture was just too grand that it was doomed from the very beginning. You said it yourself.. "People are too short term in thinking and suffer from paranoid myopia".

Perhaps people, collectively speaking, are such a difficult bunch to effect change upon but you cannot necessarily say the same for the individual. In paying it forward, you need not put up a technical cooperative venture as a show of your good intentions... it could be as trivial as helping an old man cross a street or helping a jeepney driver change a flat tire and then explaining to them later what "paying it forward" actually meant.



 

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« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2006, 08:36:38 AM »
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Too many whiners, too few people doing anything about it themselves.
I think this pretty much sums it all up.

May I add the media that dumps into the minds of the Filipino people that we truly are misreable and that it is hopeless.

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« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2006, 08:55:59 AM »
notice that I only mentioned 3 issues that are causing our current problems. Solve those 3 issues and more or less we have another chance at greatness. I have my own "solutions" to those issues, but they are so draconian. You need to break eggs to make omelets :)

My intention was not to dump on the country, despite the title of my post. I meant to show that, IMHO, our problems can be traced to just a handful of mistakes and failures, which unfortunately snowball and cause other problems for us.  

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« Reply #34 on: March 29, 2006, 12:10:48 PM »
"You need to break eggs to make omelets "

Was that Lenin or another communist that said that?
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« Reply #35 on: March 29, 2006, 12:41:56 PM »
"You  don't make an omelet without breaking some eggs"
It was Lenin in 1920s with regards to the destructive and grossly inhuman violence that was done in the name of Soviet Revolution.

I got that from the "Rainbow 6" Novel though :)
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« Reply #36 on: March 29, 2006, 12:50:29 PM »
I think we can blame it on Bad Filipino traits and cultures. Andami tamad na Pilipino, daming tambay lang, di nagbabanat ng buto, umaasa lang sa iba, walang disiplina, walang ginawa kundi mag rally, asa lang ng asa sa gobyerno. tingnan nyo, ang dumi ng kalye. simpleng bagay lang ng pagtapon ng 'Basura' sa basurahan di pa magawa.

Japan nga eh ang yaman na. Its just as simple as self-respect, self-discipline and self-initiative. No hard-core politics. And yet they are rich.

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« Reply #37 on: March 29, 2006, 12:53:33 PM »
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I think we can blame it on Bad Filipino traits and cultures. Andami tamad na Pilipino, daming tambay lang, di nagbabanat ng buto, umaasa lang sa iba, walang disiplina, walang ginawa kundi mag rally, asa lang ng asa sa gobyerno. tingnan nyo, ang dumi ng kalye. simpleng bagay lang ng pagtapon ng 'Basura' sa basurahan di pa magawa.
 
oh yaa! you nailed it dude;) Amen to that! very very true, got to think of it again, its not just politics a lot of times
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« Reply #38 on: March 29, 2006, 03:42:19 PM »
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Japan nga eh ang yaman na. Its just as simple as self-respect, self-discipline and self-initiative. No hard-core politics. And yet they are rich.
Japan? No hard-core politics?  You are mistaken.

Frankly, I wouldn't want to live in a society centered around work, like Japan.  Dito na lang ako sa Pilipinas na according to many here is "screwed-up".
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« Reply #39 on: March 29, 2006, 04:14:46 PM »
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Japan nga eh ang yaman na. Its just as simple as self-respect, self-discipline and self-initiative. No hard-core politics. And yet they are rich.
In reality, everything in Japan involves politics. Japan is an economic superpower because of politics. Politics in business allowed Toyota and other Japanese car makers to completely shut out foreign car makers out of the Japanese market.

And if you think GMA's situation is precarious, Koizumi's is equally bad. His own party is actually a loose coalition of factions.