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« Reply #1480 on: May 26, 2007, 10:44:47 PM »
@splerdu

nice post! 

what does RON and MON mean?
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Re: Perpetual Car Thread
« Reply #1481 on: May 27, 2007, 11:12:39 AM »
from http://www.carbibles.com/fuel_engine_bible.html:
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Measuring octane - RON, MON and the difference between America and the rest of the world.
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Just so you know, the octane number is actually an imprecise measure of the maximum compression ratio at which a particular fuel can be burned in an engine without detonation. There are actually two numbers - RON (Research octane number) and MON (Motor Octane Number). The RON simulates fuel performance under low severity engine operation. The MON simulates more severe operation that might be incurred at high speed or high load and can be as much as 10 points lower than the RON. In Europe, what you'll see on the petrol pumps is the RON. However, in America, what you'll see on the petrol pump is usually the "mean" octane number - notified as (R+M)/2 - the average of both the RON and MON. This is why there is an apparent discrepancy between the octane values of petrol in America versus the rest of the world. Euro95 unleaded in Europe is 95 octane but it's the equivalent of American (R+M)/2 89 octane.
In America, low altitude petrol stations typically sell three grades of petrol with octane ratings of 87, 89 and 91. High altitude stations typically also sell three grades, but with lower values - 85, 87 and 89.
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Re: Perpetual Car Thread
« Reply #1482 on: May 29, 2007, 12:10:41 PM »
thank you! ^
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Re: Perpetual Car Thread
« Reply #1484 on: June 22, 2007, 03:11:46 PM »


Don't bother releasing something this bad with this much press.
come on Toshi!

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Re: Perpetual Car Thread
« Reply #1485 on: June 22, 2007, 03:25:59 PM »
I think the guys at Cavite and Pampanga can do a better job.

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« Reply #1486 on: June 22, 2007, 04:12:00 PM »
To reduce costs I would have opted for a FWD implementation, bu the chassis appears to be dependent on the rear differential as part of the suspension system.
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« Reply #1487 on: June 22, 2007, 04:39:49 PM »
most likely, it's still a traditional jeepney underneath. malamang surplus Isuzu C240 or something pa rin makina. Hehehe.
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« Reply #1488 on: June 22, 2007, 04:52:51 PM »
oh... read the tsikot forum thread. chinese engine daw. oh, wow. what a huge improvement. :lol:



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Re: Perpetual Car Thread
« Reply #1489 on: June 22, 2007, 05:42:21 PM »
we don't have the machinery yet to mass-produce huge curved metal parts. Give it a break, guys. We have to start somewhere. I'm sure version 2 will be much better.

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« Reply #1490 on: June 22, 2007, 05:46:55 PM »
just read the tsikot forums. Bad workmanship. Maybe they'll at least use CAD next time.

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Re: Perpetual Car Thread
« Reply #1491 on: June 22, 2007, 05:55:34 PM »
he he he.... 80s look...


but sadly, this is reality about most pinoy workmanship today...
"bad" is an understatement... "hideous" is more appropriate...

the "hummer" look-a-like quality looked so much better...

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« Reply #1492 on: June 22, 2007, 06:08:23 PM »
puro masilya yan,hehehehe
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« Reply #1493 on: June 22, 2007, 08:32:33 PM »
he he he.... 80s look...


but sadly, this is reality about most pinoy workmanship today...
"bad" is an understatement... "hideous" is more appropriate...

the "hummer" look-a-like quality looked so much better...
You mean the HAMMER? I agree. Engine and drivetrain aside (the Hammer gets those from subic-junkyard Nissan Patrols) the workmanship on the body and cabin is much better than on this POS PhUV. If Alana motors has the will to push with a similar project, i'd much rather give money to them than to the people who did the PhUV.
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Re: Perpetual Car Thread
« Reply #1494 on: June 22, 2007, 08:37:31 PM »
astig yan... may fog lamps pa hahaha
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Re: Perpetual Car Thread
« Reply #1495 on: June 22, 2007, 10:12:10 PM »
we don't have the machinery yet to mass-produce huge curved metal parts. Give it a break, guys. We have to start somewhere. I'm sure version 2 will be much better.

Wrong!

The technology and the machinery are already available.  None of the MPMAV members are just really that committed to this project because its an act of novelty.

The principles of the design aren't too difficult either, especially with the new generation of CAD CAM software, its a poor excuse NOT to invest in mainstream manufacturing technology and come up with a half-a$$ed product such as the PhUV and say, "give us a break".

That's Pinoy mediocrity right there.  This project was ill-conceived with the wrong principles and a waning sense of direction in the first place.  The project is dead even before it got off the ground.

Short-sightedness is the reason why the PhUV builders hide what they can in paint and filler.

I am frankly disappointed in them for turning a source of pride into a source of ridicule.
come on Toshi!

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Re: Perpetual Car Thread
« Reply #1496 on: June 22, 2007, 11:18:43 PM »
Forget the design!!! Who ever heard of a Utility vehicle with 43HP @3000 RPM!!!!  I would have
forsaken the design for some muscle but it seems
this, ahem, utility vehicle doesn't have that. 
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Re: Perpetual Car Thread
« Reply #1497 on: June 23, 2007, 09:15:13 AM »
come on Toshi!

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Re: Perpetual Car Thread
« Reply #1498 on: June 23, 2007, 09:37:51 AM »
sayang yung TORO, it was our entry nung "world of cars 1979" bat hindi kaya nagtagal yun? i was proud of that.. philippine car. yun may curves.. but 2 drs. like VW beetle. hindi nyo siguro yun naabutan.

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« Reply #1499 on: June 23, 2007, 09:42:58 AM »
owner-type jeeps and Sarao jeepneys sport more Filipino-Spirit-per-square-inch than that piece of crap.

they should've omitted "Ph" from their branding, my god, spare us. id bet PGMA wouldn't even dare grace of its press release

edit: lost the bet! PGMA as principle guest!
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