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Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: bryan on September 18, 2002, 08:42:29 AM
Things have been pretty stagnant around here no?



Well, here's the reason: I'm planning on moving PinoyPC into a software based discussion instead of the web-based interface you see here right now. Read on before you flame me.



Here's the deal: We have only one way of accessing PinoyPC right now. And it's thru the web.

1. Web Access



I'm currently studying how to develop a software that is based on XML to allow you to read the threads, post replies, and create new topics, without having to connect to the net. It will only need to connect when downloading the new topics, and posting your replies.



So we'll call that, offline access.

1. Web Access

2. Offline Access



The software will be available only to subscribers of PinoyPC. Yes, we will move foward into subscriptions. Members will have added benefits like discounts on partner retailers, EB entrance fees, etc.



Subscribers will also get to browse PinoyPC with no ads and faster loading times. Plus, you'll get a little icon beside your name to signify that you're a premium subscriber.



How much? I don't know, something like 500 pesos per year or something. The goal here is not to make money since all premium members will be screened before being accepted. So even if you have money, but you're a troll, you still don't get in.



The details are still being worked out but the basic idea is that if you pay, you'll get the software, and the site without ads.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: bryan on September 18, 2002, 08:44:41 AM
Maybe we can even have a premium members only forum.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: Louie on September 18, 2002, 08:46:19 AM
I suppose the premium plan is also available for Web Access?



Well having subscriptions is good so that PPC could host an EB somewhere like a warehouse where we can conduct a BYOPC event.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: Louie on September 18, 2002, 08:47:25 AM
A forum for just the "l337"?



How about the suggestion some time ago to make the Troubleshooting thread into a premium function?  The boards are practically giving out free consultancy as is.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: alaeh on September 18, 2002, 08:50:37 AM
ano yun ... magiging parang edsamail na dial up for updates?
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: alaeh on September 18, 2002, 08:54:26 AM
yung PERPETUAL BABE THREAD e magiging pay per view thread na rin? lagyan bato ng ADULTCHECK?
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: draganta on September 18, 2002, 08:59:48 AM
very very nice things for the PPC NATION.... all my praises are on you sir bryan...

i'll support in any way I can ....
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: domeng on September 18, 2002, 09:02:46 AM
software would run on what platform?
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: Tom_Bishop on September 18, 2002, 09:13:43 AM
very brilliant idea indeed! =)
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: edmon_cu on September 18, 2002, 09:27:19 AM
will it be like OMR (offline mail reader) on dialup BBSing?

i mean you can reply/create messages offline then upload it at once?



so what are the rates?
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: Louie on September 18, 2002, 09:33:43 AM
Adultcheck hahaha.  That isn't evn funny.



The only hint of rates on the message is something like 500 pesos per year.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: Jesse on September 18, 2002, 09:38:05 AM
nice idea Bryan. it's time to get rid of crap threads & crap heads..... =)
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: wheelee on September 18, 2002, 09:43:07 AM
...now I can have PPC on my PPC...duh huh.....oh pocketPC
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: Al on September 18, 2002, 09:45:47 AM
I'm still not sure what to make of it, but P500 per year does seem reasonable enough.



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So even if you have money, but you're a troll, you still don't get in.


I hope the screening process will be effective. Apparently, we have at least a handful of good actors in our bunch.

Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: Louie on September 18, 2002, 09:52:24 AM
Well that's nothing a good face to face EB can't fix.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: flypsyde on September 18, 2002, 10:37:54 AM
It's hard for those of us outside the Philippines to attend the EB's though.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: Tom_Bishop on September 18, 2002, 10:40:56 AM
i agree
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: Louie on September 18, 2002, 11:01:44 AM
True, that.  I dunno what Bryan has in plan yet though.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: Capcom on September 18, 2002, 11:08:05 AM
sana there still a away to browse the forum normally(web access) pag naimplement na yan ... hehehe... i logon PPC using diffrence computers....
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: nvictus on September 18, 2002, 11:13:33 AM
People from outside the philippines will not care as much about EB's and discount on retailers but I'm willing to pay for a better board, need more features.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: dulber on September 18, 2002, 11:25:26 AM
the idea of more efficient delivery is most appealing.

the screening brought on by the subscription process is most welcome.

500 a year is more than fair. kahit tumaas pa ayos lang considering the mentioned benefits the members will enjoy



march on PPC!
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: jtan on September 18, 2002, 11:34:38 AM
sali ako as long as the discounts will be BIG! thanks bryan
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: CoolHumv on September 18, 2002, 11:35:50 AM
Thumbs up! ako diyan  Boss Bryan!
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: jtan on September 18, 2002, 11:42:22 AM
puwede rin sana i-integrate yun tipid pc saka pinoypc.... much better i think :)
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: bryan on September 19, 2002, 05:42:47 PM
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I suppose the premium plan is also available for Web Access?


Yes



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A forum for just the "l337"?


possibly.



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How about the suggestion some time ago to make the Troubleshooting thread into a premium function? The boards are practically giving out free consultancy as is.


Mahirap to. Tingnan natin.



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yung PERPETUAL BABE THREAD e magiging pay per view thread na rin? lagyan bato ng ADULTCHECK?


See what I mean when I say we need screening?



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software would run on what platform?


Only Microsoft platform at this time. You could pay me to develop a Handheld, Linux or a Mac platform though. But developing for those platforms for free is not worth the time and effort right now.



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It's hard for those of us outside the Philippines to attend the EB's though.


Yeah, sorry about that. IF we can get enough funds we can record the EBs and stream them over the net.



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puwede rin sana i-integrate yun tipid pc saka pinoypc.... much better i think :)


I'll have to talk to Jaydee about it first.



Right now, the priority is to get the software to work. We're in another technical problem right now because we're using PHP/MySQL and web services are easier to develop in the .Net platform.



So we basically need 3 things for this to succeed.

1. The system itself

2. Financial capital for acquisition of better servers.

3. Manpower.



If you think you can help, send mail to iwannahelpdothis@pinoypc.net
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: KillerMCB on September 19, 2002, 05:56:52 PM
"Thumbs up" ako sa idea :)

Very nice.

Looking forward to it.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: magistrate on September 19, 2002, 06:57:11 PM
Go forth PPC! i'm all for it. :-)
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: AJ on September 19, 2002, 07:07:24 PM
good idea bryan.



this is the ultimate solution to get rid of our morons lurking around.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: maotsetong on September 19, 2002, 07:51:41 PM
yaiks... i usually go on-line when I'm in Linux. okay lang, i rarely ask questions naman eh. i usually post info, and answer questions (if i know the answer indeed) =)



go ppc.

Edited by maotsetong on 2002-09-19 19:53:47
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: mojako on September 19, 2002, 08:47:39 PM
troubleshooting questions thru SMS?
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: domeng on September 19, 2002, 09:37:37 PM
another question:



would this software/service provide dial-up access for message downloading and posting ala edsamail? if this service would still need internet access, why migrate from a web based interface (which is more or less platform independent) to a software based, proprietary platform?
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: Louie on September 19, 2002, 09:43:29 PM
That is a good question.  Hosting something like an edsamail service would be a heavy task as well.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: jojitb on September 19, 2002, 10:14:49 PM
I have reservations about your plan of using a proprietary platform, just like domeng....



I also do not like the idea of migrating into a pay-site...  I know of very few sites who survived converting from a free site to a paysite, unless it has pr0n...



I also think that P500 is too much...   Tapos pupunta lang kay Billgates pambayad sa Software..



Anyway, those are just My Opinions...



Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: boyoyong on September 20, 2002, 01:18:47 AM
i do sense a better and efficient service if that would happen... i presume that the population will decrease....
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: [rom] on September 20, 2002, 01:34:16 AM
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i presume that the population will decrease....




I think so too =(
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: Mighty ABACUS on September 20, 2002, 02:05:20 AM
ako po, sariling opinyon ko po ito.

wala po akong nais i-imply sa mga sasabihin ko. gusto ko lang pong ipaliwanag ang sarili kong panananaw sa mga sitwasyong nagaganap.



first, i think that we all know that maintaining a website has its corresponding costs. this is a fact manifested by the ads that swarm this site. but then again, the ads are not so obstructive as to be an annoyance to the users. it has been fairly "moderated" by these guys which I know doesnt get anything in return for their services. (am i correct?)



second, since the site needs funds to sustain its operation, my idea is to get more sponsors to share the costs and still maintain the site free as what is has been conceptualized in the first place.  



changing the concept from being free to something that needs to be paid is not the final solution. we have various options to make and the least one should be to make this a paysite.



with regards to the knowledge that has been accumulated in the site, I am proud to say that these things have been contributed by ALL MEMBERS FOR FREE.  nobody asked for a fee to answer a particular question, or share his knowledge thru his experience. All of the information contained in this site has been shared and shared alike by the passion to help other Filipino techies.



but then again, how do we address the question of the maintainance costs? again my idea is to get as much sponsors as possible. i am willing to sacrifice a few pop-ups just to make sure that the information is readily available to others who needs them for FREE.



my dear friends, this site is a very beautiful thing to waste. if we allow ourselves to be divided and confined to the matters of FREE and PAID, we are not truly uniting as one but dividing to pieces.



PPC is where the Filipino Techies Goes Online.

To learn and share for FREE.




Lets keep it that way.



Maraming salamat po.



(wala po sanang mang-flame sa akin :)









Edited by Mighty ABACUS on 2002-09-20 02:11:29
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: geode on September 20, 2002, 02:15:07 AM
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Offline Access




nice alternative ... also limits the idle time people spend waiting for other menyeks to post.



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The software will be available only to subscribers of PinoyPC. Yes, we will move foward into subscriptions. Members will have added benefits like discounts on partner retailers, EB entrance fees, etc.




this is what i envisioned the often suggested PPC Club to be like.  access and discounts that would be exclusive to PPC members



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something like 500 pesos per year or something.




i believe this amount is acceptable.  dun sa mga namamahalan, think of it like saving P1.50 /day for one year.  even if it increases (as long as justifiable) it would still be ok.



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... not to make money since all premium members will be screened before being accepted.




i support the screening (i thought this was in place na after the crazy guy who threatened louie got banned?).  ayway, will the basis for screening be discussed among the present members?
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: Tranced Moogle on September 20, 2002, 02:24:36 AM
good reasons MA, i can't afford to pay something that is not my priority. It is very disappointing that the one you usually visit/use is for free then after some time, it starts to charge it's users(that's why i quit using Edsamail).



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i presume that the population will decrease....


and will be muchless attractive for those soon-to-be members.



And how can you tell who's troll or not?
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: Mighty ABACUS on September 20, 2002, 02:33:11 AM
PPC is my homepage.



in my office desktop

in my office notebook

in my home pc

in my home "modified" pc

in my home laptop

in my pocket pc

and even in the servers that i maintain.



Please let's all help and come up with more options to sustain the operating cost.



Otherwise, I might have to either pay for 7 consoles to learn and help Filipino techies or change my homepage to Yahoo! again.........











Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: geode on September 20, 2002, 02:36:48 AM
with regards to mighty's post ... he has some valid points.



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changing the concept from being free to something that needs to be paid is not the final solution. we have various options to make and the least one should be to make this a paysite




while this is true, that making it a paysite is not a final solution, we should also think of how we view PPC.  is it just the techie site? or the community?  if we are thinking of the payment thing simply in view maintaining the site then we do have some alternative solutions.



if we view ppc as a community much like a techie club then the money i believe would not be merely to support the site but also go into the promotion of the community and benefits/discounts for the members.



the discussion regarding the pay thing, to me, depends on how one views PPC - the site?  or the community?
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: bravoexo on September 20, 2002, 02:46:22 AM
Before this gets out of hand, people please read the very first post again.   Don't construe things from a posters last post.   The whole PPC isn't going subscriber only...  the suggestion was a premium account, for offline use (which translate to better use of online time/access, especially to internet cafe users or prepaid card holders).  



I myself am thinking of a prepaid/tally system for the troubleshooting section.

Buy a PPC prepaid Troubleshooting card, of which gives you a certain amount of credit.  To post and start a problem thread at the Troubleshooting section, you use up a credit.  People who think they can help, can post replies, which will cost less credit than if you start a thread ..now, if the thread starter says that post has helped him or not.  you gain back you posting credit, and earn some more.



Ha ha ha,  I'm thinking we can do this for all threads.   Each member gets 100 republic of PPC credits.  To post a new thread, or question... it will cost you 5 credits.   Post a reply, a comment, it will cost you 1 credit.   If thread starter or moderator likes your post, you gain 2 credits back.   The more nonesense you put in the boards, the less credit you earn.  



^_^  We don't even need money for this one.  PPC members can get 100 republic of PPC credits on sign-up, renewed only on moderators's approval (if ever a member just post and post nonesense) or on a mothly basis, whichever the mods want.  ^_^  Mods can add credits, anytime.  Members can loan credits too.. he he he.



Ok, far fetch na ata...and too much work ^_^



Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: /dave/null on September 20, 2002, 02:52:46 AM
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That is a good question. Hosting something like an edsamail service would be a heavy task as well.




Yes. You'd have to buy phonelines from the telcos which are not cheap. I pressume this will be like a BBS thing?



How about:

1. Handhelds: maybe use existing technology rather than re-invent the wheel. I use mobi-pocket reader to read sites from CNN, ZDNet, The Onion, etc. Maybe the site can use RSS or Palm DOC files or whatever.

2. WAP: Maybe the same as #2? offline browsing of content?

3. Payment options? cash? check? major credit cards? paypal? mountain dew? pegasus girls?

 

500 bucks IS reasonable. Remember, that's for 1 year. The drawback is people might expect something in return. And that means more content. :-/
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: Mighty ABACUS on September 20, 2002, 02:54:07 AM
prof,



i am in equal respect to your ideas. honestly.



you are correct. we all are a bunch of surfers looking for a place to belong

and be recognized.  then came PPC.



we have bonded together. shared our experiences. argued about senseful and senseless things. discussed and brainstormed ideas and opinions. thus we became one.  a solid Filipino tech community.  



basically its not the site. its how the site will affect the community.

if the site is only accessible to those who wants to pay, then the community will be lost.





to the mods, i congratulate you for performing a job very well done.







to Bryan,



i know that you have gone through a lot first before you have opted to start this thread. i salute you for this. i know that you have already realized  the reactions of the members beforehand.



please let us help you. let's discuss some more options that you may have disregarded before. i am not oppossed to the fee.  i am opposed to the concept of the fee. there are otherways.



if nothing else works, then there's GOD's ways!





salamat po.

Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: /dave/null on September 20, 2002, 02:56:35 AM


Edited by /dave/null on 2002-09-20 02:57:06
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: bravoexo on September 20, 2002, 02:58:56 AM
I belive your fears are unfounded as Bryan only mentioned a premium account, not the whole PPC going offline/fee based access.  
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: Tranced Moogle on September 20, 2002, 03:46:10 AM
so this site will remain the same... even if the suggestion will be implemented?
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: maotsetong on September 20, 2002, 03:51:19 AM
Just like geode said, if that 500 bucks would be more like of a membership fee to being a PPC club (or pinoy techie community club) member that would be even more acceptable.



Otherwise, people would think, why use my cents just to post my own views or just to answer questions that I know (the answer) of?



Troubleshooting support? That could be a different thing, as you really need to pay *sometimes* for support. But how many members need troubleshooting support? And *almost* every tech problems can be found in the internet.



Premium account. What would be the differences between premium and non-premium members in terms of accessing the forum aside form premiums can access the forum through The Software? There would be premium-only sections, which wouldn't be available to non-premiums? That could be what Sir Mighty ABACUS was saying - that would divide the community.



Anyway, these are just my opinions. You guys still have the decision. But if your feasibility study shows that PPC would go further by doing so, please go on.



CHEERS!
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: athlonFan on September 20, 2002, 04:18:41 AM
If you don't want to pay 500php a year it doesn't mean that you can't access pinoypc.



If i read it right, you won't be able to post in the trouble shooting section, won't have discounts and won't access the private "goldmember" forum.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: BadoodleZ on September 20, 2002, 05:07:43 AM
members.pinoypc.net

hehehe... ano yan porn site?
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: Al on September 20, 2002, 05:29:03 AM
While I do find a lot of merit in Might ABACUS's sentiments, I'm still not worried about the PPC community at all. Of course, not only will the community be divided, the population will diminish altogether, just because of that fee.



First of all, I will not believe any one member here can not afford to pay P500.

I find it strange to hear someone to express their concern and "love" for the community, and at the same time  think of their wallets first when we start talking about fees. As geode has implied, it's not even that big if you really look into it. Break it down and you have a monthly fee of a little over P40.



It's so easy to say, "Nice work, bryan. Keep it up." Or something like that. If this is really a community, we should start thinking how to do OUR part.



Look at it from a different perspective. Think of it as helping in the advancement of something a little bigger than yourself, at the same time helping yourself.

Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: Louie on September 20, 2002, 05:58:38 AM
Anyone saying that PhP 500 is costly should better get free internet.  My two cents of course.



IMO Edsamail isn't costly at all.



Plus 500 pesos doesn't just give you access to the software thingy.



Oh and nothing is final yet, I think.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: Mighty ABACUS on September 20, 2002, 07:00:02 AM
ang mga naisusulat ko po ang mga opinyon ko lamang at wala pong kinalaman ang sinuman, indibidwal o institusyon. kung meron man pong maapektuhan, ako at ako lamang po ang dapat maging responsable.



friends,



again, i reiterate my ideas. i am not opposed to the fees. it is the "concept" of having to pay which holds me back.  



the 500 pesos is an estimation by Bryan. what if the final computation needs it to be 1000 pesos? how do you measure the acceptability of "fair" and "not fair"?

will you still go for the premium membership?



but then, what if, again, the final computation would only be 100 pesos? of course, everybody will be happy and be as fast to avail of the premium membership.



kahit saan po natin tingnan, magkakaroon po ng dibisyon. magkakaroon ng double standard.  ang akin lang naman po, kung maiiwasan po sana at kung may ibang paraang pwedeng gawin, subukan po muna natin.



ang pakiusap ko po, sana kung mag dedesisyong maningil, subukan muna ang lahat ng paraang pwedeng gawin.



kaya nga po nai suggest ko na mag dagdag na lang ng sponsor para macover ang operating cost.



pwede po tayong mag tulong tulong sa ganong paraan. handa po akong tumulong para PPC.



salamat po.



Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: bravoexo on September 20, 2002, 07:05:39 AM
Nothing is yet finalize anyway, let's cross the bridge when we get there.   So in the mean time, no need to sound off the fire alarm, when there is no fire yet.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: flypsyde on September 20, 2002, 07:33:25 AM
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Yeah, sorry about that. IF we can get enough funds we can record the EBs and stream them over the net.




I didn't mean to imply that those of us overseas wouldn't get our money's worth by not being able to enjoy the EB's. I was concerned about the screening for premium membership, if it's done at the EB's. I hope that not being able to attend an EB won't restrict us from premium membership.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: dean on September 20, 2002, 09:23:57 AM
i do prefer free access...that's all.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: Al on September 20, 2002, 09:38:20 AM
Everyone does.



Regarding the membership of those overseas, well, I'm sure something will be arranged. I wouldn't worry if I was in your place.



No one is putting down your views, sir abacus. It's just that it's too early to express such concerns.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: boyoyong on September 20, 2002, 03:24:25 PM
i guess the site needs to be gain its name first on the public..... meron na bang 1000 ang population dito?  the plan and the fee may work pero mas maganda cguro kung gagawa muna ito ng pangalan sa publiko, or eventually maging free to navigate and ads are posted here para kumita... kelangan nio muna mangapital...



in addition to 500php thing, bababa ang youth population na napunta dto and i include myself to that.



*** i dunno pero yun ang nakikita kong mangyayari



-2 cents
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: Louie on September 20, 2002, 04:24:09 PM
Bakit bababa yung population?  Kahit hindi ka naman magbayad makaka-surf ka parin naman sa PinoyPC a.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: wahnsinn on September 20, 2002, 04:30:03 PM
siguro kagaya sa PEX na mayroong Premium members na guaranted ang slot availability, at regular members na limited ang slots kaya palaging "server busy"...
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: kots on September 20, 2002, 05:32:35 PM
what about the issue of privacy?



what if i just want to participate anonymously. bawal na ba yun dito if ever ma implement?



maybe it's not yet time. wala pang call to such a move. if the server can't handle much users, then siguro the option can be considered.



with regard sa mga delinquent posters (troll), that's what the job of the moderator - to filter out unwanted post.



it's very unusual para sa isang forum to be made premium. why pinoy sites lang na-encounter ko na forum with payments. first the pex, now baka ito susunod.



with proposed option, we'll cripple growth.  the knowledge will be limited to kayo-kayo lang.



just my two cents. no flamings intended
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: Al on September 20, 2002, 06:34:25 PM
Like I said, it's too early for such concerns. Master bryan hasn't even finalized anything yet.



Furthermore, it's not like the Website will be abandoned altogether, is it? If it will be, which I doubt, then let's find a way to keep it there. Besides, I don't think anyone is forcing anyone to pay up, if ever. If you're not willing to pay the fee, and want to keep your anonymity, then well and good.



The way I see it, the premium thingy is just for people who want a little more out of PPC. Then again, we'll have to wait and see.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: domeng on September 20, 2002, 06:44:48 PM
when people say it would be good,  they say it with such finality.

when people say it would be bad, someone will always say "it's not yet final." or something to that effect.



it's nice that we have discussions about the future of pinoypc, negative or positive, as to provide   bryan as necessary inputs to base upon on making his decision (if he hasn't made a decision yet).
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: spolarium on September 20, 2002, 07:03:35 PM
Maybe this deserves an EB during the sem break to gain as much feedback as possible?
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: bryan on September 20, 2002, 11:34:37 PM
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troubleshooting questions thru SMS?


mahal! ehek!



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would this software/service provide dial-up access for message downloading and posting ala edsamail? if this service would still need internet access, why migrate from a web based interface (which is more or less platform independent) to a software based, proprietary platform?


no.



the software is just icing in the cake. remember, we're not completely leaving the web based interface. the members only web-based interface would be revamped to provide better searching, faster access, and other tools like print view. pricecompare will also be a members only service.



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I also do not like the idea of migrating into a pay-site... I know of very few sites who survived converting from a free site to a paysite, unless it has pr0n...


as i said, we're not migrating completely. this is just an extension.



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I also think that P500 is too much... Tapos pupunta lang kay Billgates pambayad sa Software..


that's for a year. You'll pay 1.40 pesos every day for that service. And besides, 500 isn't final yet.



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changing the concept from being free to something that needs to be paid is not the final solution.


you've been used too much to getting stuff on the web for free. advertising doesn't work on the web. this is not about money. this is about making the people that are really interested in pinoypc to at least put something in for their membership. it's too easy to register and bash people on the board. but if you have to pay first, you'll think twice about trolling since sayang pera mo if we ban you.



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It is very disappointing that the one you usually visit/use is for free then after some time, it starts to charge it's users(that's why i quit using Edsamail).


that's because there's no free lunch in this world. do you think that edsamail can be supported only by ads? that's idealistic and naive.



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Otherwise, I might have to either pay for 7 consoles to learn and help Filipino techies or change my homepage to Yahoo! again.........


you'll only need to pay once. the software is available for public download but you can't login if your account is not paid.







Bravoexo, excellent idea. Can we discuss this further?







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1. Handhelds: maybe use existing technology rather than re-invent the wheel. I use mobi-pocket reader to read sites from CNN, ZDNet, The Onion, etc. Maybe the site can use RSS or Palm DOC files or whatever.

2. WAP: Maybe the same as #2? offline browsing of content?

3. Payment options? cash? check? major credit cards? paypal? mountain dew? pegasus girls?


1. No

2. No

3. Still working on it



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what about the issue of privacy?


In a community, there is no total anonymity. You are always held liable for your actions.



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with regard sa mga delinquent posters (troll), that's what the job of the moderator - to filter out unwanted post.


O sige, ikaw magbayad ng Internet connection at oras ng moderators.









As for the issue of the population drop, so what? It's not the quantity of people that makes a community great. If we have to drop 10 members for every Orly, or every RonnieG, or every Sumi Das that you can still see here, then by all means drop them.



Cause of great divide among the members? Di nyo ba napapansin na meron na nyan ngayon? Or hindi lang halata dahil wala pang nagbabayad?



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Maybe this deserves an EB during the sem break to gain as much feedback as possible?


Malapit na 2nd year anniversary ng PPC. Mag-o-organize ako ng EB para dun.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: engr_adiaken on September 20, 2002, 11:54:31 PM
OT:



I havent read this discussions yet but at least I got the idea... its OKEY  for me if we have to pay to support PPC....anyway, if we can spend some stuffs then why not for PPC. Its worth it naman kasi I have read a lot of infos here kahit Im not that expert though.And besides, money can be worked out if you really want...sanay lang kasi ang mga pinoy sa libre..pero the reality, wala naman talagang free dito sa internet. Yahoo is free because it was supported by a lot of sponsors and advertisements, etc. Im sure theyve invested on it as well as the other sites that weve seen.



Im just concerned for those students who signed up here in PPC?? hows that?

maybe pwede silang bigyan ng discount.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: bravoexo on September 21, 2002, 12:01:17 AM
Woa!  Sumi-Das?  Where....where... he he he.... (I miss TechTV)



Bryan,



If you are talking about the PPC posting credit scheme.  Yes, I think its a good idea, so people here can value every post they make, or lack thereof.  A rewards system too boost a forum member's morale too.   In this way, there's a tendency to put more reasonable, more thoughtout post as answers to threads, than OT ones'.  I guess the database of profile's just needs a bucket or two to hold current credits, when we post, it automatically removes credits from that bucket, and if a threadstarter or moderator likes a post, credits are added... Of course mods can decide if troublshooting threads cost more than for example lounge or something... and threadstarters can't rate their own replies to threads (self defeating/way of manipulating) ^_^



Here's a mock FAQ.  *(To further understand the concept)



1.  What is a PPC republic credit?



You need credits to post on PPC (or at the Troubleshooting section only).  Threads that ask which product is better can cost more also, or which is the best should cost more.  Of course that's decided by the mods/admins



2.  How do I get PPC republic credits?



You are given 100 credits upon signup.  If you've used up all your credits, you can ask for some credits from moderators/admins.  You can ask from other members for credits.  (actual amount of credit will depend on final version)



3.  Can I earn credits?



A threadstarter who likes/appreciates your post, can give you back the credits you used to post, plus some more as an incentive/reward for a good reply or post.  This way, the better to post, the more credits you can earn.  Mods can give you credits outright as well.  



4.  How do I manage credits?



Starting a thread will cost you credits.  But the answers you get may be worth it.  You can check the bank (your profile) for your credit balance.  Admins/mods can choose to refresh the credits to 100 again every week/month or so.



5.  Will post with huge images cost more?



Could be.  (Then I'll be bankrupt with the Games thread alone) ha ha ha



6.  How can I lose credits?



Start a thread that gets locked penalizes you some credits after the fact.  Mods can remove some credits from your balance as well, when they find your post innappropriate or against the rules.



7.  Does credit translate to cash?



Nope.





he he he...overboard...

Edited by bravoexo on 2002-09-21 00:09:01
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: /dave/null on September 21, 2002, 03:13:16 AM
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7. Does credit translate to cash?



Nope.




How about the more you get credits, you earn points. Earn enough points to get some cool gear.



OT: [Watto]Republic Credits? They're no good out here, outlander![/Watto]

Edited by /dave/null on 2002-09-21 03:14:04
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: bravoexo on September 21, 2002, 08:23:01 AM
How about, after one month, members with credits greater than their alloted number at the start of the month get's upgraded from "Member" to a PPC name tag of your choice... ^_^
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: Louie on September 21, 2002, 04:33:38 PM
I don't get it why people who aren't willing to pay are making such a fuss?  You can opt not to pay and you can opt to stay anonymous.  You can still read the threads.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: Xhristian on September 22, 2002, 06:54:08 PM
I don't get it why people who aren't willing to pay are making such a fuss? You can opt not to pay and you can opt to stay anonymous. You can still read the threads



-- Reading the word "PAY" frightens most people without having to read the whole post.



Hmmm... maybe this can also be done on tpc to improve security and bogus posts. hmmmm
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: maotsetong on September 22, 2002, 07:02:34 PM
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-- Reading the word "PAY" frightens most people without having to read the whole post.




mr. abacus particularly doesn't care about "PAY."



if you would read his posts again.



no offense meant...

Edited by maotsetong on 2002-09-22 19:05:42
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: Xhristian on September 22, 2002, 07:13:03 PM
mr. abacus particularly doesn't care about "PAY."



if you would read his posts again.



no offense meant...





I was not really referring to anyone in particular but rather the whole thing. Don't worry I wasn't offended =}
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: BaThMaN on September 22, 2002, 07:19:01 PM
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Malapit na 2nd year anniversary ng PPC. Mag-o-organize ako ng EB para dun.




Hmmm, why not try my place... B-day ko and my baby (at the same time binyag hehehe) all-in-one sa Oct. 31 (di ba anniv ng PPC sa nov. 1; mas maganda naman siguro yung 31 kesa sa nov 1 mag-EB)...



problem lang is transpo, since marami naman sa inyo may wheels, mag car-pool na lang... wala na problem sa food... in short, ang i-organize nyo yung sasakyan (and yung gifts nyahahaha!!!) = )



i'll post pics sa place kung interested kayo...
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: BaThMaN on September 22, 2002, 07:20:14 PM
oo nga pala, may kalayuan ang place ko. 4-6hrs. dagupan city po.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: J on September 22, 2002, 07:40:13 PM
great idea bravoexo :) that credit scheme idea sounds promising. implementation will be key if ever it's feasible for the people here. that would be a good way to keep posts in balance for the newbies and make the 'certified menyeks' stay here more rewarding.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: engr_adiaken on September 22, 2002, 09:55:09 PM
I read na the whole thread....and will check this thread till the suggestions will be finalized......I hope it will come up that everybody will agree so that this community will remain united as it is.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: engr_adiaken on September 22, 2002, 10:08:43 PM
May I suggest na bawasan ang posting ng "perpetual babe thread"... I guess it took some space to maintain it....



No offense to those who posts.....
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: arbee on September 22, 2002, 10:36:53 PM
OT:

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May I suggest na bawasan ang posting ng "perpetual babe thread"...I guess it took some space to maintain it....




space? care to clarify? the pictures there are linked to other sites...=)



Edited by arbee on 2002-09-22 22:39:19
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: engr_adiaken on September 23, 2002, 08:18:39 PM
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space? care to clarify? the pictures there are linked to other sites...=)



oo nga pala...nakalimutan ko naka link nga pala sa ibang sites...hehhhehe
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: Alan on September 23, 2002, 11:09:30 PM
point of view from a moderator:



At my "peak" as a moderator

My monthly internet cost to "patrol" PPC: Roughly PhP1,000.00 - P2,000.00

Value of the time i spend on this: Roughly 5,000.00 - 10,000.00 a month (moderating is more or less a full time job, if you take it seriously)



freebies:

-headaches from trolls, spammers, and general crap heads.



What do I get in return?

1 free dinner every year



EBs, the same as everyone else...I pay for my contribution and I normally bring food and drinks to the EB (which I don't charge for)



Have you given as much to PinoyPC as the mods have?  I think it's time for you guys to do your share...if you don't want to pay, be content to stay at the "free" sections.



Factionalism in PPC?  That has been going on for some time...nothing new.  Where are the real veterans of PPC?  Still here but in "lurk" mode only.



I'd rather have 1 RonnieG or 1 Micoh in PPC than 100 Thrustmasters
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: FLipz on September 24, 2002, 06:55:56 AM
more power to PPC!!!



Edited by FLipz on 2002-09-24 06:57:15
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: draganta on September 27, 2002, 05:16:58 PM
PPC will be the bread and butter (nakakagutom)...those who will jon in the advancement will be fortified with knowledge but those who not...ewan ko...



It's just the beginning of an instituition of having the fund and people to have to do it at there very BEST on there  own expense...



It's just a kind of profit sharing...credits will be earned and knowledge will be distributed...



Discounts???...it depends...



Surely we can come up to finalize things in a very comprehensive and agreeable...to most of the us...

Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: taonglobo on September 28, 2002, 04:34:38 PM
Well, I think this would be a great step for PPC. A great idea indeed!



The idea is like when Yahoo mail ended the free POP services, they started charging but in return, when u subscribe, you will have better services, but  subscription isnt required because you can still use the free mail services through your browser.



By the way, i was thinkin that Yahoo Messenger and MSN Messenger is a very nice software. I hope Bryan and co. can add a feature like this for PPC. I know this would truly need money and effort, but its a good idea anyway, right?
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: zeon on September 28, 2002, 11:27:18 PM
Not really a good idea seeing that the instant messaging arena is already heavily populated.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: MV on September 28, 2002, 11:30:11 PM
not a good idea of making a PPC IM. anyway we could use the IMs that are available naman. they're just a download and a register away.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: zeon on September 28, 2002, 11:45:52 PM
Same reason why there isn't any PPC CHAT.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: DABOY on September 28, 2002, 11:53:11 PM
Ako ang kinabukasan ng PinoyPC, kumpare.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: nhald on September 30, 2002, 10:28:20 PM
i for one agree on the premium membership. why? 'coz the site would give better benefits to the premium members.  what is 500 for one year. be it 100 or 1000. we signed up here to become members and to be a part of a pinoy community that caters to our techie delights. if this site goes down because of these so called trolls, there is no one to blame but us who had a chance to make this a better site.



as i understand, the premium membership is voluntary and would undergo screening. if do not pass the screening, you could still be a regular member. so what's the fuss? if you 'trolls' are satisfied for being a regular member, so be it. but some of us want more from this site and there is a price for everything. i am willing to pay for that price if it will seperate me from you 'trolls'.  THIS IS WHAT I SIGNED UP HERE FOR AND THIS IS WHAT I'M HOPING TO GET.



=) no flame intended. cheers!
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: Hernie on October 15, 2002, 12:28:04 AM
daboy, eh kung wala kame at ikaw lang, e di wala ng ppc, pare! :) no offense, pero you get too overbearing most of the time!



are you really this overbearing? show a little kindness, will you? ;-)

for the advancement of ppc...I salute bravoexo!
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: SlikGuy23 on October 01, 2005, 02:04:26 AM
up ko na rin to just to bring up the destiny & future of PPC! :)

Mabuhay kapwa ko PPCnians! :-D
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: zer0 on October 01, 2005, 02:08:39 AM
...the future is now :)
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: scrambler on October 01, 2005, 03:55:49 AM
Well, we'll just see how it goes.  I'm based in the Visayas so I can't attend the EB but I'll wait for the final decision.  

Personally (and I mean "para sa akin", this doesn't concern other members) I won't be applying for premium membership (if ever) as I see no need do so.  I ask for troubleshooting assistance from another forum, simply because it's a relatively big forum and there are more people capable of tackling a particular problem.  I come here to see what my fellow pinoy pc enthusiasts are up to and to enjoy their company.  I hope everything goes well, as I would hate to see my favorite forum disintegrate.

By the way, I like the idea proposed by bravoexo(?) to curb "nonsense" posts.  This way, we won't have people racing to reach certain posting "milestones" while filling threads with nonsense along the way.  Another forum I belong to doesn't credit posts posted in the lounge thread since it's just a virtual "tambayan".

More power to PPC.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: merlin on October 01, 2005, 06:38:44 AM
why not try google adsense? If the site wants to make money, using adsense is the least obtrusive way. Persuade the members to click on the ads at least once everytime they log in. Proper integration with the web interface is essential. I suggest putting it in the upper, right, or create a left pane just for google adsense. Never at the bottom, like what some local sites do (ahem... *bidshot* ahem)

I don't like the idea.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: justmee on October 01, 2005, 09:46:01 AM
the changing times, thanks yo Bryan
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: pythonista on October 01, 2005, 10:04:58 AM
I just saw this thread. I really wished I'm there during that time. Wish ko lang sana ibalik yung dating Site where meron hardware/software reviews created by our own members.

Kung me development na gagawin for PPC count me in! I'll work for a bottle of beer! :-D

Sayang hindi ako nakaattend nakaraang EB. Shondo just told me na me plans of PPC Magazine! I was excited! Sana matuloy na yun! :-)
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: ShindoHikaru on October 01, 2005, 10:09:26 AM
Yeah sana nga :D
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: Louie on October 01, 2005, 10:25:36 AM
Sana nga. Small steps along the way right now.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: reel on October 01, 2005, 10:26:52 AM
@merlin, i believe the first 3 pages of this thread had bryan repeatedly saying that hes not up to making money.

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By the way, I like the idea proposed by bravoexo(?) to curb "nonsense" posts. This way, we won't have people racing to reach certain posting "milestones" while filling threads with nonsense along the way.

exactly scrambler

and yeah, a magazine, thats the only way PPC must grow into. even with a lot of local tech magazines with overly opinionated reviews on some of the juciest hardware out in the market, nothing beats reviews of the more "practical" users
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: pythonista on October 01, 2005, 10:33:27 AM
Yeah. I suggest a Tech magazine open for trash talks and debates so that more people would be interested with it. I mean try reading usenet! :-D
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: scrambler on October 01, 2005, 12:25:55 PM
Wait, maybe @Merlin has something there.  Not to make money, just to help keep the site up and running, cover costs, etc.  So Merlin, how does this work? We click on a particular ad just once and then we can close it right after it opens in another window and thats it, we've done our part?      
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: dyzophoria on October 01, 2005, 12:40:15 PM
abangan ko to,hehe..

isang linawan lang..


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QUOTE:
with regard sa mga delinquent posters (troll), that's what the job of the moderator - to filter out unwanted post.


O sige, ikaw magbayad ng Internet connection at oras ng moderators.


it's not just the job of the moderators to filter unwanted posts, it's the job of the whole ppc community na rin to prevent this throlls, your number one weapon - "ignore them"

------------

all in all, i'm looking forward to the next step in PPC, premium membership for 500 is not that expensive, come on guys, everybody likes free services, but be reasonable naman
 
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: bosnia2 on October 01, 2005, 12:52:49 PM
opinion ko  lang ito....

majority of internet users gets turned off when a web service (be it email, search engines, or a message board such as this one) starts charging and stops being free. there will be people willing to pay but count heads first because i dont think it will be enough and it will not be sustainable in the long run.

i'm not really familiar with making money through the internet but there might be other ways of earning like getting ads or something, i dont know. maybe we should study how yahoo or google or hotmail, etc. can afford to provide free service while remain profitable.

subscription fees are not the way to do it, sa opinion ko lang po.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: dulber on October 01, 2005, 01:35:16 PM
Wow! An almost three year old thread revived.
Tutal nalalapit na din anniversarry ng PPC, why not.
 
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: ezay on October 01, 2005, 01:57:53 PM
ok, kelan labas ng magazine ng PPC?
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: reel on October 03, 2005, 12:58:23 AM
PPC mag works!
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: Al on October 03, 2005, 05:40:11 AM
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subscription fees are not the way to do it, sa opinion ko lang po.
actually, it does work. nobody forced anyone to pay anything back then, anyway. and i don't think that will change, if ever.

whatever decline that happened to PPC afterwards had nothing to do with it.

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ok, kelan labas ng magazine ng PPC?
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PPC mag works!
publishing a magazine has HUGE risks. it takes a tremendous amount of work and money to start and maintain, and the prospect of earning returns isn't entirely encouraging. for the head, once you're in it, you'd have to see it through. bawal ma-burn out.  
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: merlin on October 04, 2005, 05:20:22 PM
@scrambler - you get paid for every click on a google adsense ad on your homepage. You can close the window afterwards. Google doesn't care if you buy any of the products in the links.

Admins, have you considered adsense? Its great for a dynamic, high-traffic site like this.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: Ikbhe on October 08, 2005, 04:46:06 PM
lagyan din natin ng Email ang PPC dun kayo get additional fees for it.

Or kung magpapa-premium member ang isang user may bayad then may free email addy sya.

user@pinoypc.net

Suggestion lang naman po.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: reel on October 09, 2005, 06:29:13 PM
re: PPC mag, it can be print, or even just soft newsletters with lotsa articles and stuff. of course it wont work at first, but hey, try making a layout for an online PPC e-Magazine and check how it looks.

PPC Mag works!
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: dongdong on October 09, 2005, 07:30:56 PM
PPC mag sounds good. :D

Maybe I could make a few contributions myself. ;)
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: piracy4ever on October 09, 2005, 10:16:07 PM
there's too many mags na eh. like mph and hwm.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: reel on October 15, 2005, 11:24:21 PM
but none of those magazines were "community based". if youd read most of their articles, theyre all sugarcoated with all their n00bish opinions, typical fanboy article writers. none are actually based on "facts". like HWM on their Alt_Software issue, their tossup is on top OSes is winXP, Novell Desktop and Ubuntu. quite the best OSes out there?

local hardware mags are already bad enough for starters. besides, am more interested on an e-mag than print mags

not that am pushing my own couch ringside, am just saying that there is more to a forum than just posting non-stop over the same thing over and over again and pretend that were busy. why not create an article or guide that could answer most questions on a specific topic? the Dream Rig thread was a good one till it got hijacked by fanboys only a dozen posts after it was born

hence, an e-mag or something like that.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: friendlyfire on October 15, 2005, 11:27:11 PM
i hope ppc will also include POP mail service. willing to donate 500 :)
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: Louie on October 15, 2005, 11:27:53 PM
It's my dream that in the future PinoyPC would have enough information in it that it becomes a one-stop destination for people with concerns with their computers.
Title: The future of PinoyPC
Post by: SilentBozz on October 24, 2005, 04:54:42 PM
i still consider myself a newbie here in the PPC. but i learned a lot and now i want to return the favor. if ever i can give some helpful contributions about the community of ppc i'll definitely give my best.

dudez you're right, teh PPC Magz rule!!!