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Title: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: Sephiroth on February 26, 2017, 09:18:11 PM
a friend of mine is asking of they are effective in extending the range of wifi signals, and if so, which product/s would you recommend. thanks!
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: Capcom on February 26, 2017, 09:54:07 PM
for home use ?
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: Sephiroth on February 26, 2017, 10:10:42 PM
yep. para ma extend yung wifi signal mula sa kapitbahay.
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: bravoexo on February 27, 2017, 02:16:26 AM
Not as effective over say... a long Cat 5e cable.  Besides if it's extended via Wifi only, that's half the bandwidth already consumed.
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: calvin on February 27, 2017, 04:38:09 AM
also the latency would be twice as that of a single access point...
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: Sephiroth on February 27, 2017, 06:42:51 AM
thanks for the replies.

how can it be done with cable? use a long cable to place the router nearer the house that needs the wifi signal? thanks!
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: lahar on February 27, 2017, 08:08:19 AM
How far is the house from the internet source? Maybe it would be cheaper and easier in the long run to simply get a separate subscription.
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: Sephiroth on February 27, 2017, 08:18:47 AM
How far is the house from the internet source? Maybe it would be cheaper and easier in the long run to simply get a separate subscription.
it's like a duplex actually: a single house divided into identical halves by a wall.
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: lahar on February 27, 2017, 08:23:35 AM
Then yes just get an AP/old wifi router and connect to the main router via LAN cable.
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: Sephiroth on February 27, 2017, 08:28:17 AM
something like this?
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-turn-an-old-wi-fi-router-into-an-access-point/ (https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-turn-an-old-wi-fi-router-into-an-access-point/)
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: lahar on February 27, 2017, 08:36:52 AM
something like this?
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-turn-an-old-wi-fi-router-into-an-access-point/ (https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-turn-an-old-wi-fi-router-into-an-access-point/)
Yup. Thats what I did for my old wifi routers at home.
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: Sephiroth on February 27, 2017, 08:44:33 AM
something like this?
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-turn-an-old-wi-fi-router-into-an-access-point/ (https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-turn-an-old-wi-fi-router-into-an-access-point/)
Yup. Thats what I did for my old wifi routers at home.
got it. thanks!

i will not volunteer to do that for my friend, though. looks too complicated and time consuming for me. :lol:
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: lahar on February 27, 2017, 09:01:23 AM
Not really. As one member pointed out, just plugging the LAN cable to the LAN port  is enough for most. The complication comes when you wish to be able to connect to other PCs and devices and start assigning IP addresses  to create workgroups and share drives and files.
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: Sephiroth on February 27, 2017, 10:00:52 AM
ah, it's just that? ok then, will try. thanks!
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: calvin on February 28, 2017, 08:48:27 AM
just a warning though.. a simple network set up is also prone to rapid and unwanted malware proliferation
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: wheelee on February 28, 2017, 09:16:57 AM
I bought 2(different brands) of those wifi extenders that you plug in the wall socket, both are crap.
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: Sephiroth on March 01, 2017, 09:03:29 AM
just a warning though.. a simple network set up is also prone to rapid and unwanted malware proliferation
will regular antivirus suffice? thanks!

I bought 2(different brands) of those wifi extenders that you plug in the wall socket, both are crap.
i see. thanks!
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: calvin on March 01, 2017, 11:31:14 AM
just a warning though.. a simple network set up is also prone to rapid and unwanted malware proliferation
will regular antivirus suffice? thanks!
for known malware yes... but for new undetected ones, not so much.

better to do cascading routers set-up to isolate one network from the other.

(http://i.imgur.com/VODulFQ.jpg)
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: splerdu on March 01, 2017, 04:20:56 PM
Double NAT!
Combined with CGNAT from your ISP it'll be triple NAT!

I guess one side benefit of CGNAT is there are now far fewer incoming attacks. In the later XP days a fresh install that didn't have the latest service pack slipstreamed in could get pwned before it could even update itself.
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: wheelee on March 01, 2017, 05:23:01 PM
OT:

i tried to connect a wifi router to a *ldt router but it wont work and I directly connected the net cable to my ASUS router & still it can't work, does the line only accepts *ldt routers then?

oh it's ultera BTW
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: Sephiroth on March 01, 2017, 07:07:48 PM
just a warning though.. a simple network set up is also prone to rapid and unwanted malware proliferation
will regular antivirus suffice? thanks!
for known malware yes... but for new undetected ones, not so much.

better to do cascading routers set-up to isolate one network from the other.
that looks... too complicated for me. :lol: if ever my friend would prefer that, i think she'd better hire a technician.
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: calvin on March 01, 2017, 07:08:20 PM
^ uLTEra router is also a modem... so it needs to dial-up before it connects.
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: calvin on March 01, 2017, 07:10:14 PM
just a warning though.. a simple network set up is also prone to rapid and unwanted malware proliferation
will regular antivirus suffice? thanks!
for known malware yes... but for new undetected ones, not so much.

better to do cascading routers set-up to isolate one network from the other.
that looks... too complicated for me. :lol: if ever my friend would prefer that, i think she'd better hire a technician.

and not all techs are capable of setting it up either... lol
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: Sephiroth on March 01, 2017, 07:15:39 PM
just a warning though.. a simple network set up is also prone to rapid and unwanted malware proliferation
will regular antivirus suffice? thanks!
for known malware yes... but for new undetected ones, not so much.

better to do cascading routers set-up to isolate one network from the other.
that looks... too complicated for me. :lol: if ever my friend would prefer that, i think she'd better hire a technician.

and not all techs are capable of setting it up either... lol
well, i guess i'll just tell them to be be careful with their internet activities and make sure their anti-virus is updated.
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: bravoexo on March 01, 2017, 08:19:39 PM
your friend has to be sure to put the lan cable from the neighbor to the WAN port of his router. 
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: wheelee on March 01, 2017, 08:20:27 PM
^ uLTEra router is also a modem... so it needs to dial-up before it connects.

so can i just use one of the ports of the ultera modem and connect another router to extend its reach?
(https://tse3-mm.cn.bing.net/th?id=OIP.Mdedb91fbe3ea21ef6548936695858e8do0&pid=15.1&H=114&W=160&P=0)
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: Sephiroth on March 01, 2017, 08:20:47 PM
your friend has to be sure to put the lan cable from the neighbor to the WAN port of his router. 
what will happen if she connects it to the wrong port?
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: bravoexo on March 02, 2017, 01:48:26 AM
neighbor sees his pc's, files, folders,etc...vice versa
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: bravoexo on March 02, 2017, 01:54:28 AM
so can i just use one of the ports of the ultera modem and connect another router to extend its reach?

Yes, but the Ultera will be the router (DHCP server too)... the added router "router" function has to be turned off and will act like a switch and AP (if may Wifi sya)

Then you're at the mercy of whatever 'rules' exist on the main router.. MAC address filtering, firewall.etc..ie...what if there's no DHCP assignment or the main router only allows 10 IPs....
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: lahar on March 02, 2017, 05:33:36 AM
your friend has to be sure to put the lan cable from the neighbor to the WAN port of his router.
If there is already a router (such as a PLDT modem-router combo), you have to connect the second wifi-router via its LAN port not the WAN port.
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: bravoexo on March 02, 2017, 07:11:03 AM
your friend has to be sure to put the lan cable from the neighbor to the WAN port of his router.
If there is already a router (such as a PLDT modem-router combo), you have to connect the second wifi-router via its LAN port not the WAN port.

From my POV, the friend only needs the internet... not to be in the same LAN.  hence put it in the WAN port. If said friend doesn't care that other folks from another house has access to his pc, files, printers,devices etc... sure, put it on the normal LAN port and disable any router/dhcp functions.
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: wheelee on March 02, 2017, 09:12:16 AM
so can i just use one of the ports of the ultera modem and connect another router to extend its reach?

Yes, but the Ultera will be the router (DHCP server too)... the added router "router" function has to be turned off and will act like a switch and AP (if may Wifi sya)

Then you're at the mercy of whatever 'rules' exist on the main router.. MAC address filtering, firewall.etc..ie...what if there's no DHCP assignment or the main router only allows 10 IPs....

ngek! dami palang ise-setup kala ko just plug & play hehehe
yes the ultera is a modem/ wifi already, just wanted to add an extended wifi
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: Sephiroth on March 03, 2017, 06:29:34 AM
neighbor sees his pc's, files, folders,etc...vice versa
ah. ok, salamat!
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: hungree on May 16, 2017, 01:22:17 PM
so can i just use one of the ports of the ultera modem and connect another router to extend its reach?

Yes, but the Ultera will be the router (DHCP server too)... the added router "router" function has to be turned off and will act like a switch and AP (if may Wifi sya)

Then you're at the mercy of whatever 'rules' exist on the main router.. MAC address filtering, firewall.etc..ie...what if there's no DHCP assignment or the main router only allows 10 IPs....

ngek! dami palang ise-setup kala ko just plug & play hehehe
yes the ultera is a modem/ wifi already, just wanted to add an extended wifi

Sir wheelee,

Maybe this link (http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=trp22dgsrhi4inq3dmbm7lc1b6&topic=40856.0) can help you.
Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
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Title: Re: Are Wifi Range Extenders Effective?
Post by: wheelee on October 11, 2017, 10:01:34 AM
tnx hungree, i'll check it out.
what I did before was just pluged in my asus wifi router so that it can reach the other room (wifi) but i guess it doesnt work that way, a wifi router within a wifi router.