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Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: goma on March 28, 2006, 04:17:44 PM
After considering what’s been happening to the country since the optimistic days of EDSA 1, it has occurred to me that most of the country’s current problems can be traced to 3 major causes, all of which stem from the failure to follow up on the opportunities presented by EDSA 1:

The Marcosian network of corruption and influence was not dismantled – All administrations after Marcos owed its existence, one way or another, to these families. It would have been ideal to eradicate these feudal clans when Marcos was deposed, as it’s done in revolts in other nations. Instead of dying out, these clans got their patriarchs and members elected to the newly restored Senate and Congress. This filthy system has maintained its grip on power by refusing to set limits on terms of office and feeding and cultivating the culture of corruption that has destroyed the country. These clans prefer to keep this system of influence and corruption in place simply because it works very, very well for them. This same system protects the Marcos family from prosecution.

The poor quality of education – Among the masses, most of those who reached voting age after 1986 probably hardly know what Senators are for and the role of Congress in a democratic republic. Thus the masses elect actors, infamous traditional politicians and basketball players to the Senate and help retain the very same influential regional clans that prospered under Marcos in Congress. The election of the most unsuitable people to the Senate set the stage for the next debacle.

The failure of the Senate – Erap Estrada was clearly elected as president. This fact cannot be contested. One of the foundations of a democracy is the free selection of its leaders and this was demonstrated by the election of Erap. Whether it was a wise or foolish choice can be argued and can be blamed on the previous aspect, substandard education for the Filipino masses. However a poor choice of President is counterbalanced by the power of the Senate to impeach him or her if probable cause is presented. The revelation that some of the Senators during the Erap impeachment in fact received “balato” from Erap and that some of them were clearly out to derail the impeachment, starting at the Congressional level, already showed the direction of the impeachment proceedings. Ideally, the Senate (if its member were chosen wisely) should have opened the mysterious envelope and went ahead and impeached Erap. Then the unconstitutional removal of Erap, called EDSA 2, would not have occurred and lead to our current state of political instability. A properly conducted impeachment would have made GMA’s ascendance to the position fully legitimate and constitutional.

As it stands, unconstitutional means have become the increasingly popular method by which we change presidents, beginning with EDSA 2. GMA worsened the political crisis by running for the position and “winning” under a cloud of doubt and mistrust.

(EDSA 1’s removal of Marcos was not unconstitutional because he was already overstaying as president, backed up by an unlawful constitution that was custom-made to legitimize his clearly illegitimate presidency)
 
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: lahar on March 28, 2006, 04:22:27 PM
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The poor quality of education – Among the masses, most of those who reached voting age after 1986 probably hardly know what Senators are for and the role of Congress in a democratic republic. Thus the masses elect actors, infamous traditional politicians and basketball players to the Senate and help retain the very same influential regional clans that prospered under Marcos in Congress. The election of the most unsuitable people to the Senate set the stage for the next debacle.

 
I'm not sure about this one. IIRC, the academe was actually behind Erap back in 1998.
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: goma on March 28, 2006, 04:32:29 PM
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The poor quality of education – Among the masses, most of those who reached voting age after 1986 probably hardly know what Senators are for and the role of Congress in a democratic republic. Thus the masses elect actors, infamous traditional politicians and basketball players to the Senate and help retain the very same influential regional clans that prospered under Marcos in Congress. The election of the most unsuitable people to the Senate set the stage for the next debacle.

 
I'm not sure about this one. IIRC, the academe was actually behind Erap back in 1998.
I was talking about the poor quality of education impacting in the masses' ability to elect the right people to the senate and congress.  
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: lahar on March 28, 2006, 04:36:42 PM
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The poor quality of education – Among the masses, most of those who reached voting age after 1986 probably hardly know what Senators are for and the role of Congress in a democratic republic. Thus the masses elect actors, infamous traditional politicians and basketball players to the Senate and help retain the very same influential regional clans that prospered under Marcos in Congress. The election of the most unsuitable people to the Senate set the stage for the next debacle.

 
I'm not sure about this one. IIRC, the academe was actually behind Erap back in 1998.
I was talking about the poor quality of education impacting in the masses' ability to elect the right people to the senate and congress.
So the president is exempted? Is that what you're saying?
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: idolkosimanoy on March 28, 2006, 04:42:48 PM
as long as we have a president elected on a plurality vote we will always be on unstable grounds.  

question:  how do you educate the masses on voting for the proper candidate?  from what i observed since the 1992 election the voting populace are a mixed lot.  even the "supposedly" educated class are behind some dubious candidates (just take a look at the last presidential election).  
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: goma on March 28, 2006, 04:47:39 PM
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The poor quality of education – Among the masses, most of those who reached voting age after 1986 probably hardly know what Senators are for and the role of Congress in a democratic republic. Thus the masses elect actors, infamous traditional politicians and basketball players to the Senate and help retain the very same influential regional clans that prospered under Marcos in Congress. The election of the most unsuitable people to the Senate set the stage for the next debacle.

 
I'm not sure about this one. IIRC, the academe was actually behind Erap back in 1998.
I was talking about the poor quality of education impacting in the masses' ability to elect the right people to the senate and congress.
So the president is exempted? Is that what you're saying?
exempted for being chosen wisely? of course not. choosing the right person for president is important.

However, the president needs a check and balance, a body to oversee his or her actions. Choosing the wrong representatives ruins this system and does not allow for proper impeachment, whether it be to remove GMA or Erap.

It doesn't matter if we shift to parliamentary or use the current system. Neither will work in the best interest of the people if we keep electing the same trash to the same positions.  
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: idolkosimanoy on March 28, 2006, 04:50:27 PM
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It doesn't matter if we shift to parliamentary or use the current system. Neither will work in the best interest of the people if we keep electing the same trash to the same positions.
god save us all if we ever shifted to parliamentary form of governmen.  with the current crop of politicians elected right now, we are going straight to hell!
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: lahar on March 28, 2006, 04:57:34 PM
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The poor quality of education – Among the masses, most of those who reached voting age after 1986 probably hardly know what Senators are for and the role of Congress in a democratic republic. Thus the masses elect actors, infamous traditional politicians and basketball players to the Senate and help retain the very same influential regional clans that prospered under Marcos in Congress. The election of the most unsuitable people to the Senate set the stage for the next debacle.

 
I'm not sure about this one. IIRC, the academe was actually behind Erap back in 1998.
I was talking about the poor quality of education impacting in the masses' ability to elect the right people to the senate and congress.
So the president is exempted? Is that what you're saying?
exempted for being chosen wisely? of course not. choosing the right person for president is important.

However, the president needs a check and balance, a body to oversee his or her actions. Choosing the wrong representatives ruins this system and does not allow for proper impeachment, whether it be to remove GMA or Erap.

It doesn't matter if we shift to parliamentary or use the current system. Neither will work in the best interest of the people if we keep electing the same trash to the same positions.
Ok, limited lang pala ang rant mo to senators and congressmen. What I was pointing out was, even highly educated individuals would not necessarily support (percievably) capable candidates.
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: jack on March 28, 2006, 04:58:50 PM
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I'm not sure about this one. IIRC, the academe was actually behind Erap back in 1998.

I thought the academe was supporting Roco at the time?  
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: lahar on March 28, 2006, 05:07:21 PM
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I'm not sure about this one. IIRC, the academe was actually behind Erap back in 1998.

I thought the academe was supporting Roco at the time?
Split yata. A tactic later used by GMA to scare voters into supporting her, otherwise FPJ "would win".
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: goma on March 28, 2006, 05:10:21 PM
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It doesn't matter if we shift to parliamentary or use the current system. Neither will work in the best interest of the people if we keep electing the same trash to the same positions.
god save us all if we ever shifted to parliamentary form of governmen.  with the current crop of politicians elected right now, we are going straight to hell!
yup, we better stick our head between our knees and kiss our asses goodbye.  :-o

The failure to impeach Erap, which triggered EDSA 2, set off a chain of events and circumstances that have damaged our democratic institutions. We are not reaping the bitter harvest..
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: pythonista on March 28, 2006, 05:15:40 PM
Screw politics!  :wary:  
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: TNT2bluz on March 28, 2006, 05:28:27 PM
Too many whiners, too few people doing anything about it themselves.
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: piracy4ever on March 28, 2006, 05:37:11 PM
why can't philippine politics be more mature like all the other 1st world countries?

they may have controversies but at least their country is not suffering.
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: bodol on March 28, 2006, 05:42:33 PM
I don't agree.
The Philippines is not screwed up.
Only the politicians are.
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: TNT2bluz on March 28, 2006, 05:48:17 PM
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why can't philippine politics be more mature like all the other 1st world countries?

they may have controversies but at least their country is not suffering.
We don't have 400 years of civil history of the USA and the 1000 years of the Brits.

Let's not even touch on Singapore or Malaysia, their rapid progress came at the price of civil liberties.

The political culture and attitudes of people contribute to everything.  It isn't just the politicians its the people too.
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: piracy4ever on March 28, 2006, 05:51:48 PM
but why have we become like this?

why don't present day filipinos have the discipline, diligence and nationalism of the koreans? the japanese? the americans? the singaporeans? the indians?

i've learned that most of our economic problems have been results of american economic/trade laws dating back to pre-WWII. if only they supported us just like what they did to japan after they surrendered.
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: TNT2bluz on March 28, 2006, 05:59:14 PM
Why?

Because our national identity is shattered.  Filipinos have a difficult time defining themselves other than highlighting how bad their lives are.

Historically we got screwed by 3 colonizers.  But really, how much more can we blame our past and use it as an excuse to perpetuate the inequity of the selfish?

Unlike Japan we were never an agressor in the the war, unlike South Korea we didn't have the north above our side of the 38th parallel.


 
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: goma on March 28, 2006, 06:13:06 PM
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Too many whiners, too few people doing anything about it themselves.
are you refering to me?
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: TNT2bluz on March 28, 2006, 07:04:38 PM
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Too many whiners, too few people doing anything about it themselves.
are you refering to me?
Not particularly, but if you feel like you seem to be doing too little, you might well be as guilty.
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: alaeh on March 28, 2006, 11:27:26 PM
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Too many whiners, too few people doing anything about it themselves.

OT: I tend to agree with this... maybe we could do something that is not so far-fetched nor impossible and yet might actually encourage more people to participate ... For starters, maybe we could jumpstart the PAY IT FORWARD! Movement

If someone thanks you or feels indebted to you  for doing him/her a favor... just say, "Forget it... Pay it Forward"!
 
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: dongdong on March 29, 2006, 12:07:22 AM
Whiners
- Annoys the hell out of me. You can see the reporters on TV interview poor people who say "Baba ka na GMA! Humihirap kami dahil sayo!" then a bit later they'd tell you that it's the President's fault that they can't feed/send to school their 12 children. Oh teh irony!

- Another type of whiner are people who complain about dirty surroundings. Hey, so who littered up the those in the first place? Bakit, sinakyan pa ba ng mga politiko and kanilang limousine para lang itapon dun sa kanto yung basura?

- Rallyists who don't know what their fighting for. Really, they're not reading between the lines. They just take in a simple fact and start a rally. They never bother with the details and the outcome. So if PGMA makes the "supreme sacrifice" of stepping down, will the Philippines suddenly be a heavenly place? And who will replace her? Noli? Drilon? Susan??? LOL.

- And of course, dirty politics. Nung recognition day namin sa skul kahapon, may mga politiko (brgy captian, councilors...). Sabi ng isa, "wag niyo iboboto mga pa-cute!" pero panay ang pagpapalakas nila samin, kasi malapit na kaming maging legal voters tsaka 2007 elections malapit na rin. :grin:

- "donations from the government". Kahit anong gamit mo sa public school na bigay sayo... notebooks, medals, o kahit mga construction projects... palaging may nakadikit na mukha ng politiko tapos may subtitle "Donated by your caring captain, <insert name>". Yung notebook nga na bigay samin, yung cover tsaka likod puro mga pictures at pangalan ng mga pulitiko na nakangiti. :grin: Mga photogenics, hehe. Kahit na libre yun, kung talagang sincere sila, 'di na nila dapat ilalagay yung pangalan/litrato nila. Gaya ng free PC software. Kung maganda talaga product, hihintayin na lang ng developers yung reaction ng consumers at hindi na nila kailangan pang i-advertise.
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: flashmanrpr on March 29, 2006, 12:10:59 AM
@alaeh,
sana nga ganun kadali gawin bro. owing an "utang na loob" is pretty much embedded in our genes. kahit na nabayaran mo na ng limang beses yung utang mo eh you still owe that person. i guess it's one of the reasons that politicians still owe the marcoses. sana pwede yung debt paid in full the culture natin.
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: TNT2bluz on March 29, 2006, 12:17:54 AM
There's another type of whiner...those who've left the country and have nothing good to say about home.

"Walang ganyan sa states" blah
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: alaeh on March 29, 2006, 01:16:16 AM
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sana nga ganun kadali gawin bro. owing an "utang na loob" is pretty much embedded in our genes. kahit na nabayaran mo na ng limang beses yung utang mo eh you still owe that person. i guess it's one of the reasons that politicians still owe the marcoses. sana pwede yung debt paid in full the culture natin.

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@flashmanrpr
That's the essence of paying it forward. You pay it forward because it is already assumed [atleast by the person who did you a favor] that you cannot afford to pay it back.
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: localboy on March 29, 2006, 01:33:14 AM
thats the truth! politics talaga and sumira simulat sapul.
maganda ang pilipinas, i even considered philippine's beauty than Hawaii, talagang mga hayop na poltics lang ang sumisira! mahirap lang kasing mag tiwala na dahil kahit sino siguro ang umupo kurakot din ang habol, dahil na kasanayan na yan. sayang baka si FPJ pala nag hinihintay pero na deadbol na ( well who knows ) anyways the biggest question now is kailan darating ang mga politikong matino  
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: TNT2bluz on March 29, 2006, 01:35:23 AM
When people think when they vote.

On paying it forward, the truth is no good deed goes unpunished.

Setting up a technical cooperative venture among industrialists for instance gets all sorts of sneers and snorts.  People are too short term in thinking and suffer from paranoid myopia.

That's likely because of instability and uncertainty.

The problem with "the problem with the Philippines" threads is that it oversimplifies and inherently complicated and multi-faceted issue.

The problem called the Philippines is the product of historical failures that continue to be left unaddressed.

The power of change is with the people, the body polity which on its own suffers from the malaise of being uninformed, uneducated and are encumbered with the need to survive from one day to the next.

How can you even imagine them contemplating the intricacies of politics over a grande mochacinno?
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: flashmanrpr on March 29, 2006, 01:40:25 AM
oo nga, sana pwede yung ganun sa ating mga pilipino. yung gagawan mo ng mabuti ang isa at sya naman ang magpapasa sa iba. kahit ako problema ko yun, yun bang nahihiya ka pa rin sa mga taong gumawa ng mabuti sa 'yo kahit na naibalik mo na yung kabutihan na yun. di naman sa sinasabi kong masama, pero minsan sobra lang kasi yung pagtanaw natin ng utang na loob.

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There's another type of whiner...those who've left the country and have nothing good to say about home.

"Walang ganyan sa states" blah

@TNT,
di ko alam kung ako yung pinatutungkulan mo dito pero ang sinasabi ko lang eh problema natin 'to, hindi ko sinabing problema "nyo" dahil nandito na ako sa states. sabi ko nga pati ako eh tumatanaw ng utang na loob sa mga kano at pag sinabi ko sa kanilang i still owe them eh sila mismo yung nagsasabing we're even kasi nga naibalik ko na. pero para sa akin eh parang kailangan ko pa rin silang bayaran. pero kung hindi naman ako yung sinasabihan mo eh, salamat.
 
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: TNT2bluz on March 29, 2006, 02:00:46 AM
Bakit ba ang raming natatamaan kahit wala naman akong nais na patamaan?

Kung pakiramdam niyo ay mayroon kayong kasalanan ay wala akong magagawa.

Hindi naman kayong pinagbabawalang bumatikos sa mga kaganapan dito sa Pilipinas.  Ang mga tinutukoy kong mga tao ay yung mga nakatapak ng ibang bansa na walang humpay pa rin ang pagdidiin ng mga pagkukulang sa ating bansa at wala namang ginagawa para baguhin ang kalagayan dito.

Masmadalas ngang inaasam na ma-iluwas ang buong angkan sa ibayong lugar kaysa sa bumalik sa Pilipinas at subukan man lang magsimula ng tunay na pagbabago gamit ang iyong mga natutunan at naipong kapital.

Salamat nga sa iyong mga dolyares, pero hindi lang naman pera ang kailangan ng isang lipunan.
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: TNT2bluz on March 29, 2006, 03:06:55 AM
We need to think more than feel.
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: Ulysses on March 29, 2006, 03:12:54 AM
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The problem with "the problem with the Philippines" threads is that it oversimplifies and inherently complicated and multi-faceted issue.

Everyone has his 2 cents worth of what is wrong with the Philippines, but few can come up with even his two centavos worth of what we can do to help.

Everyone knows that the Philippines is screwed-up; no need to emphasize the obvious.
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: alaeh on March 29, 2006, 08:34:29 AM
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On paying it forward, the truth is no good deed goes unpunished.

Setting up a technical cooperative venture among industrialists for instance gets all sorts of sneers and snorts. People are too short term in thinking and suffer from paranoid myopia.

I beg to disagree. I was of the opinion that while the intention maybe good, the idea of putting up a technical cooperative venture was just too grand that it was doomed from the very beginning. You said it yourself.. "People are too short term in thinking and suffer from paranoid myopia".

Perhaps people, collectively speaking, are such a difficult bunch to effect change upon but you cannot necessarily say the same for the individual. In paying it forward, you need not put up a technical cooperative venture as a show of your good intentions... it could be as trivial as helping an old man cross a street or helping a jeepney driver change a flat tire and then explaining to them later what "paying it forward" actually meant.



 
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: Sephiroth on March 29, 2006, 08:36:38 AM
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Too many whiners, too few people doing anything about it themselves.
I think this pretty much sums it all up.

May I add the media that dumps into the minds of the Filipino people that we truly are misreable and that it is hopeless.
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: goma on March 29, 2006, 08:55:59 AM
notice that I only mentioned 3 issues that are causing our current problems. Solve those 3 issues and more or less we have another chance at greatness. I have my own "solutions" to those issues, but they are so draconian. You need to break eggs to make omelets :)

My intention was not to dump on the country, despite the title of my post. I meant to show that, IMHO, our problems can be traced to just a handful of mistakes and failures, which unfortunately snowball and cause other problems for us.  
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: lakotana on March 29, 2006, 12:10:48 PM
"You need to break eggs to make omelets "

Was that Lenin or another communist that said that?
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: lakotana on March 29, 2006, 12:41:56 PM
"You  don't make an omelet without breaking some eggs"
It was Lenin in 1920s with regards to the destructive and grossly inhuman violence that was done in the name of Soviet Revolution.

I got that from the "Rainbow 6" Novel though :)
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: nsf on March 29, 2006, 12:50:29 PM
I think we can blame it on Bad Filipino traits and cultures. Andami tamad na Pilipino, daming tambay lang, di nagbabanat ng buto, umaasa lang sa iba, walang disiplina, walang ginawa kundi mag rally, asa lang ng asa sa gobyerno. tingnan nyo, ang dumi ng kalye. simpleng bagay lang ng pagtapon ng 'Basura' sa basurahan di pa magawa.

Japan nga eh ang yaman na. Its just as simple as self-respect, self-discipline and self-initiative. No hard-core politics. And yet they are rich.
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: localboy on March 29, 2006, 12:53:33 PM
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I think we can blame it on Bad Filipino traits and cultures. Andami tamad na Pilipino, daming tambay lang, di nagbabanat ng buto, umaasa lang sa iba, walang disiplina, walang ginawa kundi mag rally, asa lang ng asa sa gobyerno. tingnan nyo, ang dumi ng kalye. simpleng bagay lang ng pagtapon ng 'Basura' sa basurahan di pa magawa.
 
oh yaa! you nailed it dude;) Amen to that! very very true, got to think of it again, its not just politics a lot of times
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: Dragon Ash on March 29, 2006, 03:42:19 PM
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Japan nga eh ang yaman na. Its just as simple as self-respect, self-discipline and self-initiative. No hard-core politics. And yet they are rich.
Japan? No hard-core politics?  You are mistaken.

Frankly, I wouldn't want to live in a society centered around work, like Japan.  Dito na lang ako sa Pilipinas na according to many here is "screwed-up".
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: lahar on March 29, 2006, 04:14:46 PM
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Japan nga eh ang yaman na. Its just as simple as self-respect, self-discipline and self-initiative. No hard-core politics. And yet they are rich.
In reality, everything in Japan involves politics. Japan is an economic superpower because of politics. Politics in business allowed Toyota and other Japanese car makers to completely shut out foreign car makers out of the Japanese market.

And if you think GMA's situation is precarious, Koizumi's is equally bad. His own party is actually a loose coalition of factions.
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: mischief on March 29, 2006, 04:23:55 PM
I don't like the "us against them" mentality.

Tagalog vs. Cebuano, Christian vs. Muslim, Jologs vs. Edukado, etc. It's a mindset colonizers set on us that worked all too well, and it's pretty hard to remove. The politicians are still milking this phenomenon for all it's worth.
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: Dragon Ash on March 29, 2006, 05:03:33 PM
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There's another type of whiner...those who've left the country and have nothing good to say about home.

"Walang ganyan sa states" blah
How about another type of whiner?  Those who have never set foot on other countries yet they say "Walang ganyan sa blah!"
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: TNT2bluz on March 30, 2006, 02:20:48 AM
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There's another type of whiner...those who've left the country and have nothing good to say about home.

"Walang ganyan sa states" blah
How about another type of whiner?  Those who have never set foot on other countries yet they say "Walang ganyan sa blah!"
You do have those general pessimists...human barbituates.
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: lahar on March 30, 2006, 11:48:59 AM
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"Walang ganyan sa states" blah
An American colleague once told in me in jest, that one reason the US is not frakked up is...



... there is no US Embassy in the States.
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: TNT2bluz on March 30, 2006, 12:37:57 PM
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I don't like the "us against them" mentality.

Tagalog vs. Cebuano, Christian vs. Muslim, Jologs vs. Edukado, etc. It's a mindset colonizers set on us that worked all too well, and it's pretty hard to remove. The politicians are still milking this phenomenon for all it's worth.
I've never really seen any rivalries between Tagalogs and Cebuanos, but more of a disclaimer by Cebuanos about how they really have nothing much to do about things that screw up thanks to Manila.

As long as religion exists there will be one too many dichotomies, and as long as economic disparity remains you'd have mata pobres.
Title: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: jammaj on March 30, 2006, 03:59:48 PM
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"You don't make an omelet without breaking some eggs"
It was Lenin in 1920s with regards to the destructive and grossly inhuman violence that was done in the name of Soviet Revolution.

let us hope our country doesnt take this route.
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: friendlyfire on April 09, 2018, 06:26:46 PM
screwed up again...
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: splerdu on April 09, 2018, 10:32:55 PM
This is good necro.
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: lahar on April 10, 2018, 05:43:05 AM
Salute to the defenders of Bataan. And to the Filipinos, continue to defend the Philippines!(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180409/1e78c5a5f54908a21aff0eb7c85cbd34.jpg)

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Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: friendlyfire on April 10, 2018, 11:28:17 PM
ano ba ang nangyari sa iyo mahal kong Pilipinas? 
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: WallyWest on April 14, 2018, 08:41:53 PM
A nuisance candidate got voted into office.
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: friendlyfire on April 15, 2018, 08:38:33 AM
ano kaya ang masasabi ng mga bumuto kay du30? 
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: popoy on April 15, 2018, 09:57:37 AM
sabi ng mga Hapon at ibang pang economic forums na the lack of infrastructure is holding back the Filipino.  Salamat sa current admin for the  #buildbuildbuild http://www.build.gov.ph/Home/Project (http://www.build.gov.ph/Home/Project) 


Sabi din ni World bank our projection numbers for the 2018-2019 are going up north.    Sabi ni ADB nasa golden age daw tayo.


Free education - Meron na din naglakas loob na hanapan at continuously lagyan ng pondo ito.  Available naman itong batas na ito sa previously admins sa congress at senado, pero wala ginawa, hindi nila hinanapan ng pera para pondohan. 








Madami pa...Ung pinatay sa kuwait na nagkaroon ng justice, MRT after holyweek 17 trains in operation, clark development hub, bumili nadin tayo ng sariling plate making machines LTO, pushing for regularization of workers e.g. Jollibee, ung Facebook cable na dadaan saatin with benefits, ung 3rd telco. 





Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: calvin on April 15, 2018, 12:43:07 PM
^ you did notice that the news about ADB's pronouncement that the Philippines is entering the "golden age of economic growth" is in quotes... and if you listened to what the economists are saying in the news, it is up to this current administration to take advantage of this "economic spurt" to stabilize it and continue it by providing the environment to invite more investors... so what they're basically saying is that we are "headed" into that "golden age of economic growth" (we're not yet there) so they're hoping that this government doesn't bungle it up.

"Free Education" was just recently updated and approved... so tama lang that this administration is to INCLUDE it sa budget... that's how government works and that's how the law works - so if you want to be technical about it, the previous administrations were the ones responsible for updating the "free education law" (if I'm not mistaken, it was started during GMA's admin and finally approved by the Senate and the House during PNoy's admin) - so, Duterte's admin is responsible for IMPLEMENTING this law - and they did so by including it in this year's budget.

As for the LTO's plate machines, this was already planned by the agency when they implemented the changes to our vehicle plate numbering system. The initial stage was to buy the plates from 3rd party suppliers while waiting for the "new" plate machines... (unfortunately, the 1st stage was screwed by unscrupulous business dealings). While this "new vehicle plate" fiasco is going on, the procurement for the new machines were still on track (FYI, it takes years for these things to be implemented because they have to go through several stages).

First, the LTO needs to come up with the technical requirements for the upgrading or installation of the equipment (3 to 6 months)...
Then they invite suppliers for "pre-bid" conferences... (1 to 3 months)
These suppliers are then ask to submit qualifications... (1 to 3 months)
Then the government schedules the bidding... (3 to 6 months)
When a bidding goes on successfully, the agency (LTO) then submits the winning bid with their budget to the head agency (DoTC then, now the DoTr) in order for the DoTr to include this in the NEXT year's budget hearing.
Then Congress approves the budget and the implementation pushes through...
So this means, this plate machines have been in the works for at least 3 years now...
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: popoy on April 15, 2018, 02:18:22 PM
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Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: lahar on April 15, 2018, 03:13:50 PM
^ you did notice that the news about ADB's pronouncement that the Philippines is entering the "golden age of economic growth" is in quotes... and if you listened to what the economists are saying in the news, it is up to this current administration to take advantage of this "economic spurt" to stabilize it and continue it by providing the environment to invite more investors... so what they're basically saying is that we are "headed" into that "golden age of economic growth" (we're not yet there) so they're hoping that this government doesn't bungle it up.

"Free Education" was just recently updated and approved... so tama lang that this administration is to INCLUDE it sa budget... that's how government works and that's how the law works - so if you want to be technical about it, the previous administrations were the ones responsible for updating the "free education law" (if I'm not mistaken, it was started during GMA's admin and finally approved by the Senate and the House during PNoy's admin) - so, Duterte's admin is responsible for IMPLEMENTING this law - and they did so by including it in this year's budget.

As for the LTO's plate machines, this was already planned by the agency when they implemented the changes to our vehicle plate numbering system. The initial stage was to buy the plates from 3rd party suppliers while waiting for the "new" plate machines... (unfortunately, the 1st stage was screwed by unscrupulous business dealings). While this "new vehicle plate" fiasco is going on, the procurement for the new machines were still on track (FYI, it takes years for these things to be implemented because they have to go through several stages).

First, the LTO needs to come up with the technical requirements for the upgrading or installation of the equipment (3 to 6 months)...
Then they invite suppliers for "pre-bid" conferences... (1 to 3 months)
These suppliers are then ask to submit qualifications... (1 to 3 months)
Then the government schedules the bidding... (3 to 6 months)
When a bidding goes on successfully, the agency (LTO) then submits the winning bid with their budget to the head agency (DoTC then, now the DoTr) in order for the DoTr to include this in the NEXT year's budget hearing.
Then Congress approves the budget and the implementation pushes through...
So this means, this plate machines have been in the works for at least 3 years now...


Correct. Any policy effects from a sitting adminsitration will only be felt, 3-4 years or even near its end. Most of the "successes" of the current admin are still mostly after-effects of the previous one. Kaya ang dami natatawa dun sa credit-grabbing ni Sec. Villar sa bagong hiway going to Baguio.
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: calvin on April 16, 2018, 10:14:49 AM
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Here's how it started under GMA's term: (interest free student loan)
http://ched.gov.ph/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/CHEDLink_08_No_1.pdf

This was then improved on under PNoy's term:
https://www.lawphil.net/statutes/repacts/ra2013/ra_10533_2013.html

Both of these have now been consolidated and updated in 2016 and finally approved by PD30 last year:
https://www.lawphil.net/statutes/repacts/ra2017/pdf/ra_10931_2017.pdf

Since it was only approved in August of last year, the agencies involved (DepEd and CHEd) had to come up with IRR before it can be included in the budget.
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: popoy on April 16, 2018, 03:38:46 PM
I'm not contending the bill, like I said it was available to the previous admins, your links just proved that.  I am going to add what is the most important parts that you missed.  Even though there is a bill, it still had to go through congress, the senate, plenary which means voting.  If it didn't get the sufficient numbers of vote, it won't pass - I hope this clear.  The president and his allies pushed for the senate/congress calendars to get this prioritized.  Most importantly they provided the numbers here, it passed because of that, because D30 and his allies pushed for it.   


I want to also drive my first point that there was no money to fund this.  Straight from the horse's mouth, no skirting around, interview with budget management Diokno will confirm this.  D30 was insistent and they made it happen.


Also I'm not in a google-fu search contest with anybody.  These are my views and what I believe to be true. 
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: Taggy on April 16, 2018, 09:51:43 PM
haha binasa ko pa uli sa thread starter..   still nice discussion.
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: friendlyfire on April 17, 2018, 06:06:00 PM
1. ang taas ngayon ng bilihin. lesser items for our 2k grocery budget a week.  less travel because gas is expensive. 

2. why on earth you need to kill a 50 billion dollar  tourism industry like boracay?  i am in favor of cleaning up  boracay but
 they should have done it discreetly and with planning and coordination.   

3. drug menace is still here. no drug lords or big time dealers have been arrested.

4. more crooks out of jail.

5. except ww2 i think its the first time we lost a major city  in a battle.

6. mrt  pinolitika pwede na palang gamitin

7. napakahirap kumuha ng driver's lic at passport.
 
8. drug smuggling
etc
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: popoy on April 17, 2018, 09:53:01 PM
@friendlyfire
Maybe we could discuss something of substance.  Don't be offended but these sound more like rantings. 


For example, the passport issue was an issue way back in nov/dec last year, it's now April.  Back then Cayetano was all over the news informing the public of actions they were taking.  Opening slots for jan/feb/etc, bringing mobile passport caravans to municipalities, etc.   

ww2, Wow sa totoo lang I'm bit perplexed how you came up with this argument.  Your point of view or maybe you read it somewhere?  Anyway Marawi ended in our favor, terrorists big heads are dead. 

crooks out of jail, smuggling, drugs.  According to PNP statics crime is down more than ever.   

just this afternoon @CNN there was press briefing on the team in charge of operation boracay, their plans etc. 

High prices.  I stopped buying sugary drinks, it's bad for you.  I do the grocery shopping in my house, unless you buy the heavily taxed items the increase is very minimal.  Meat, fish, rice, tinapay very minimal.  Sugary products, cigarettes, etc. = ubos budget. 
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: lahar on April 17, 2018, 10:20:05 PM
I chatted with some PTV, PIA and PCOO staff in Legaspi during the eruption a few months ago. Off the record they asked how as a fellow governnment worker, I felt about the current admin. I said, I could no longer care less how many he killed or how many fools he has in his cabinet. What really riles me is how he bends ove and how he tries desperately to shove the Chinese on us like a parent desperately matching an unwanted suitor on his daughter. Surprisingly they agreed with the sentiment.
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: friendlyfire on April 17, 2018, 10:28:22 PM
ww2, Wow sa totoo lang I'm bit perplexed how you came up with this argument.  Your point of view or maybe you read it somewhere?  Anyway Marawi ended in our favor, terrorists big heads are dead. 
   -  marawi is a dead city. in fact it was the president who provoked the terrorists  in destroying the city. it was an intelligence failure bec most of the cabinets and the pres are in russia when the terrorists attack the city.  15 billion intelligence budget going to waste.   thousand civilians displaced, 100 soldiers killed, billions of pesos  in war time operation and another 20 billions of pesos just to rebuild a city.

  crooks out of jail, smuggling, drugs.  According to PNP statics crime is down more than ever.   
  - lim, espinosa, arroyo,estrada, enrile, napoles, 22 billion shabu smuggling, binay,  richard tan, boc chief who cleared a certain smuggling case got promoted, arroyo's nephew cleared from drug raps.

High prices.  I stopped buying sugary drinks, it's bad for you.  I do the grocery shopping in my house, unless you buy the heavily taxed items the increase is very minimal.  Meat, fish, rice, tinapay very minimal.  Sugary products, cigarettes, etc. = ubos budget.

  my goodness, stop telling me what to do with my budget. we need sugar for our coffee, dessert, dishes and other things. canned goods have gone up including rice. try comparing the gasoline during past admin and  present. a yr ago i have gasoline budget of 4k per month but right now it is 6k. train law is  still phase 1 and our inflation rate is already @ 4.1 percent and that's only 4 months after the implementation. 



@ boracay - build a casino? 
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: popoy on April 18, 2018, 01:10:06 AM
kuya @friendlyfire could you explain more on your ww2 comment.  Your narrative inferred there is a correlation between ww2 and our battle readiness to win/lose in a major city.  Your post above doesn't follow any of that. 
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: friendlyfire on April 18, 2018, 07:57:17 AM
like i said

this the first time we lost a major city since ww2 in a battle.  i just pin pointed a timeline in our history.  i can go back to time of spanish colonization when we lost intramuros to the british. 
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: calvin on April 18, 2018, 09:38:43 AM
The Marawi Incident is not exactly an intelligence failure... I have a cousin in the military and he tells me that they already knew about the presence and the impending attack of the rebels in that city. The intelligence data has already reached Malacañang way before the attack... but apparently the decision makers thought it wasn't a real threat. The rumor among the uniformed services then was that the President assured the Military Top Brass that these rebels will not push through with the attack because "he knows someone who can reach out" to these people. If you listened to the President's speeches before about the Marawi Incident, he did mention in passing of knowing about the attack beforehand.
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: lahar on April 18, 2018, 09:54:50 AM
The Marawi Incident is not exactly an intelligence failure... I have a cousin in the military and he tells me that they already knew about the presence and the impending attack of the rebels in that city. The intelligence data has already reached Malacañang way before the attack... but apparently the decision makers thought it wasn't a real threat. The rumor among the uniformed services then was that the President assured the Military Top Brass that these rebels will not push through with the attack because "he knows someone who can reach out" to these people. If you listened to the President's speeches before about the Marawi Incident, he did mention in passing of knowing about the attack beforehand.

Well Bato did admit they know about the attack, they just don't know "when". Thats why they ALL decided it ok to join the jaunt in Russia.  :lol:
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: popoy on April 18, 2018, 11:59:47 AM
Like 911? Right, the government knew but failed to act.



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Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: lahar on April 22, 2018, 06:49:56 PM
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/164029/palace-dont-call-china-bandit-sea-dispute#ixzz5DNhSlw8h (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/164029/palace-dont-call-china-bandit-sea-dispute#ixzz5DNhSlw8h)

Presidential spokesperson Harry Roque said it was not diplomatic to call the emerging regional power a “bandit,” as Manila and Beijing’s territorial disputes could be resolved peacefully

Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: WallyWest on April 22, 2018, 08:37:59 PM
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/164029/palace-dont-call-china-bandit-sea-dispute#ixzz5DNhSlw8h (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/164029/palace-dont-call-china-bandit-sea-dispute#ixzz5DNhSlw8h)

Presidential spokesperson Harry Roque said it was not diplomatic to call the emerging regional power a “bandit,” as Manila and Beijing’s territorial disputes could be resolved peacefully


However, their idea of so-called peaceful resolution is bending over for China.
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: friendlyfire on April 25, 2018, 09:15:09 AM
DDS supporters got screwed again this time the promise to end ENDO is just one of the empty promises.
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: lahar on April 28, 2018, 08:32:18 AM
Covert ops daw pero inapload sa FB LOL!
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: friendlyfire on April 29, 2018, 10:47:30 AM
puro na lang bad news...
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: splerdu on April 29, 2018, 10:52:30 AM
^ Are you referring to the joint exploration deal with China? If so I'm actually quite impressed with it. 60-40 split and this is from disputed regions. Meanwhile the Malampaya gas fields which is clearly within our sovereign territory we only get 10%.
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: friendlyfire on April 29, 2018, 01:25:58 PM
boracay
kuwait
miascor
mrt
traffic
drugs
crimes
corruptions
train law
marawi
wps
scarborough
passport blunder
etc
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: splerdu on April 29, 2018, 09:06:38 PM
Passport was great when it was being handled by our very own Boss Bryan and Pilipinas Teleserv. There was a series of super fishy deals toward the end of the last admin that suddenly awarded printing and scheduling to APO Productions and that's when it all went to hell.
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: Sephiroth on April 30, 2018, 06:06:05 AM
price of medicine and medical supplies at Bambang has shot up. that has got to affect the price of medical care.
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: lahar on May 01, 2018, 07:24:55 AM
Unemployment is high and yet we will still import workers?!

https://www.rappler.com/nation/201463-salceda-philippines-import-skilled-workers-from-china-burma
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: friendlyfire on May 11, 2018, 01:07:40 PM
Pilipinas binihag ka!
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: TNT2bluz on May 13, 2018, 11:53:51 AM
Unemployment is high and yet we will still import workers?!

https://www.rappler.com/nation/201463-salceda-philippines-import-skilled-workers-from-china-burma

That's the China package, just about everything from raw material to labor comes from them, high interest rates,  poor due diligence...it is predatory lending on a sovereign scale.

Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: lahar on May 22, 2018, 02:45:06 PM
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Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: altec on May 22, 2018, 03:07:32 PM
Serious talk. Is it high time to buy a gun in case the chinese invade in a few years time?

Not that i'm going to be a soldier. But i'd rather die fighting than acquisceing should an officer or foot soldier come to my house, my baranggay to get some wartime spoils.
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: Mr. Bungle on May 22, 2018, 03:20:13 PM
Now, I'm really thinking that Du30 along with Cayetano are cowards and traitors that sold our territory to the Chinese.

Not even an attempt in filing a diplomatic protest nor asking help from the US in which we have a defense treaty with to at least deter these territorial provocations. WTF!?
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: friendlyfire on May 22, 2018, 06:53:53 PM
Serious talk. Is it high time to buy a gun in case the chinese invade in a few years time?

Not that i'm going to be a soldier. But i'd rather die fighting than acquisceing should an officer or foot soldier come to my house, my baranggay to get some wartime spoils.

haven't we notice yet? there are lots of chinese  in manila today. i have seen them in malls and supermarkets.  they are not typical tourists but their body  are well built and with military cut hairstyle. i saw some of them buying pillows.. i guess they will be staying here for a long term.   
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: lahar on May 22, 2018, 08:31:12 PM
Serious talk. Is it high time to buy a gun in case the chinese invade in a few years time?

Not that i'm going to be a soldier. But i'd rather die fighting than acquisceing should an officer or foot soldier come to my house, my baranggay to get some wartime spoils.

Only the mayor is talking about war. Neither China nor the Chinese ambassador is saying anything. Really of the opinion the Chinese paid for his election win.
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: splerdu on May 22, 2018, 08:57:15 PM
Anyone interested in Mandarin classes? lol
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: wheelee on May 23, 2018, 09:34:36 AM
Nihao! Duìbùqǐ, wǒ bù zhīdào nǐ shuō shénme
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: Taggy on May 23, 2018, 10:49:46 AM
Haha san daw nag landing ang bomber ng china? Alam nyo?
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: friendlyfire on July 03, 2018, 10:05:19 AM
para tayong syriapore. grabe na ang patayan dito.
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: TNT2bluz on July 05, 2018, 01:43:13 PM
Who was that joker here who resides in NZ who was all Duterte is the next best thing since sliced bread?
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: friendlyfire on July 24, 2018, 03:24:24 PM
Screwed up BIG TIME!
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: lahar on August 24, 2018, 07:52:05 AM
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/169253/dont-need-f-16s-duterte-tells-us?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1535028847
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: Mr. Bungle on August 24, 2018, 11:24:45 AM
He thinks F-16s are useless for internal anti insurgency operations but he wants to buy subs from Russia. Double standards at bipolar talaga.

May axe to grind kasi yan sa US at catholic church at since minolestya daw siya ng American priest. Na deny din ng US visa dahil sa DDS. Loves pissing his critics off at the country's expense. lol.

Shit talaga ang foreign policy ng PHL ngayon. The only thing the admin is doing well seems to be their self-serving social media brainwashing propaganda machine barring yung kapalpakan ni Mocha.
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: lahar on August 31, 2018, 06:43:58 PM
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1026984/duterte-on-davaos-high-number-of-rape-cases-many-beautiful-women-there/amp?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Duterte on Davao’s high number of rape cases: ‘Many beautiful women there’
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: Sephiroth on September 05, 2018, 09:56:53 PM
a gradeschool batchmate of mine who almost everyday posts praises to God and motivational stuff, posted yesterday a meme that portrays how pduts outsmarted trillanes and she expressed amusement about it. so to find out what's going on with her mind, i messaged her if she considers herself a true Christian, to which she said yes (not a Catholic, though). then i asked if she's really that then why side with someone like pduts, who even called God "stupid." she said she admires him for his "wise and tactical" moves and that he being a leader is appointed by God so we have no right to question him.

i could only shake my head in disgust and disbelief.
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: waway on September 06, 2018, 04:49:29 PM
https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/09/05/18/34-inaresto-sa-batangas-dahil-di-tumayo-nang-patugtugin-ang-pambansang-awit-sa-sinehan

to borrow a quote from thor ragnarok "Agard is not a place, it's the people". the Philippines is not the flag, nor is it the national anthem, it's the people. and now these assholes just arrested these people for what? you cannot force patriotism, it has to be earned
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: JM on September 10, 2018, 01:59:11 PM
https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/09/05/18/34-inaresto-sa-batangas-dahil-di-tumayo-nang-patugtugin-ang-pambansang-awit-sa-sinehan

to borrow a quote from thor ragnarok "Agard is not a place, it's the people". the Philippines is not the flag, nor is it the national anthem, it's the people. and now these assholes just arrested these people for what? you cannot force patriotism, it has to be earned

You have to bear in mind that aside from the usual level of freedom of free speech in this country, this is in fact a law. That's only one of the few provisions that somewhat conflict with free speech and expression and is loosely enforced, yet as I have said, is still the law.
Title: Re: Why The Philippines Is Screwed Up
Post by: waway on September 10, 2018, 09:10:07 PM
which is one of the many reasons why the philippines is screwed up, we like making fun of north korea and how they're forced to worship their dear leader. all the while shitty laws like this exists here