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Offline splerdu

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« Reply #40 on: March 21, 2003, 02:19:47 AM »
In other news:



Iraq has launched Scud missiles that the UN inspectors said they shouldn't have. Now my trust in Saddam is completely shattered! *cry*
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« Reply #41 on: March 21, 2003, 02:21:13 AM »
let's replace "shouldn't" with "didn't" to avoid confusion.
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« Reply #42 on: March 21, 2003, 02:21:55 AM »
The question's a bit late admittedly, but I'm curious.  What did France, Germany and Russi hope to get out of butting heads with the US and UK?



If the US wanted the war to happen for either oil or economic recovery, what did France (and the other two) hope to get out of longer UN inspections?



Just wondering about their motivations...

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« Reply #43 on: March 21, 2003, 02:23:33 AM »
Politics.... I'd rather not think about it. Masakit sa ulo e. Hehehe.
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« Reply #44 on: March 21, 2003, 02:27:09 AM »
tama si Al, specially France - politics.

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« Reply #45 on: March 21, 2003, 02:30:11 AM »
France wants to regain its world power status which it (along with Great Britain) lost back when monarchies started to fall.



there's a nice article about France intentions in the last page of the March 24 issue of Time mag.

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« Reply #46 on: March 21, 2003, 02:31:24 AM »
geode: what do you and Al mean by politics? sorry kung masakit sa ulo... hehe...

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« Reply #47 on: March 21, 2003, 02:33:26 AM »
I read somewhere that France and Germany both have significant oil exploration contracts with Iraq. If the existing regime disappears, so does those contracts.
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« Reply #48 on: March 21, 2003, 02:35:05 AM »
It's all about who benefits from what. Sad to say, very little of it concerns the welfare of the people of Iraq.
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« Reply #49 on: March 21, 2003, 02:36:38 AM »
i don't know about Al pero on my end I believe France dislikes the fact that the US is carrying too much clout in worldwide affairs.  As you know the french are a prideful bunch.  they are a proud country and would love to be in the forefront of global politics.



it wants to be a leader instead of just bowing under the US.  it wants to project to the world that it too can make global decisions.

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« Reply #50 on: March 21, 2003, 02:37:47 AM »
geode: thanks, will look up the article...



flypsyde: hrmm... so oil din yung motivation ng france and germany... makes sense...



all this demand for oil kinda reminds me of dune and the spice...

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« Reply #51 on: March 21, 2003, 02:40:54 AM »
Actually, I don't care much about France. They have this air of attitude about them.



But I do have two French classmates who seem to be nice guys.
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« Reply #52 on: March 21, 2003, 02:41:56 AM »
in the Time mag article its more than oil ... but then again yes iraq owes France a lot of money from all the aids France has given the country way way back.  if the US does rid iraq of sadam then all those unpaid money would disappear and never be paid.

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« Reply #53 on: March 21, 2003, 02:44:41 AM »
Well, money makes the world go round ...
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« Reply #54 on: March 21, 2003, 02:47:04 AM »
read the article... good one... France the "giant killer"...



http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030324-433251,00.html

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« Reply #55 on: March 21, 2003, 02:52:09 AM »
that's the article i was referrign to :)

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« Reply #56 on: March 21, 2003, 02:55:51 AM »
I just read it too. Things that make you go hmmmmm :)
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« Reply #57 on: March 21, 2003, 03:03:49 AM »
nevermind my rig!

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« Reply #58 on: March 21, 2003, 03:07:09 AM »
geode: yup nice article thanks... :)



There's an email forward going around by Paulo Coelho "thanking Great leader George W. Bush"... hehehe...



Thank you, President Bush

By Paulo Coelho



Thank you, great leader George W. Bush.



Thank you for showing everyone what a danger Saddam

Hussein represents.

Many of us might otherwise have forgotten that he used

chemical weapons

against his own people, against the Kurds and against

the Iranians. Hussein

is a bloodthirsty dictator and one of the clearest

expressions of evil in

today's world.



But this is not my only reason for thanking you.

During the first two

months of 2003, you have shown the world a great many

other

important things and, therefore, deserve my gratitude.



So, I want to say thank you.



Thank you for showing everyone that the Turkish people

and their parliament

are not for sale, not even for 26 billion dollars.

Thank you for revealing to the world the gulf that

exists between the

decisions made by those in power and the wishes of the

people.



Thank you for making it clear that neither Jose Maria

Aznar nor Tony Blair

give the slightest weight to or show the slightest

respect for the votes

they received. Aznar is perfectly capable of ignoring

the fact that 90

percent of Spaniards are against the war, and Blair is

unmoved by the

largest public demonstration to take place in England

in the last 30 years.



Thank you for making it necessary for Blair to go to

the British parliament

with a fabricated dossier written by a student 10

years ago, and

present this as "damning evidence collected by the

British Secret Service."



Thank you for allowing Colin Powell to make a complete

fool of himself by

showing the UN Security Council photos which, one week

later,

were publicly challenged by Hans Blix, the inspector

responsible for

disarming Iraq.



Thank you for adopting your current position and thus

ensuring that, at the

plenary session, French Foreign Minister Dominique de

Villepin's antiwar speech was greeted with applause -

something, as far as

I know, that has only happened once before in the

history

of the UN, after a speech by Nelson Mandela.



Thank you too, because, after all your efforts to

promote war, the normally

divided Arab nations, at ther meeting in Cairo during

the

last week in February, were, for the first time,

unanimous in their

condemnation of any invasion.



Thank you for your rhetoric stating that "the UN now

has a chance to

demonstrate its relevance," a statement which made

even the

most reluctant countries take up a position opposing

any attack on Iraq.



Thank you for your foreign policy which provoked

British Foreign Secretary

Jack Straw into declaring that in the 21st century, "a

war can have a moral justification," thus causing him

to lose all

credibility.



Thank you for trying to divide a Europe that is

currently struggling for

unification; this was a warning that will not go

unheeded.

Thank you for having achieved something that very few

have so far managed

to do in this century: bringing together millions of

people

on all continents to fight for the same idea, even

though that idea is

opposed to yours.



Thank you for making us feel once more that though our

words may not be

heard, they are at least spoken - this will make us

stronger in

the future.



Thank you for ignoring us, for marginalizing all those

who oppose your

decision, because the future of the planet belongs to

the

excluded. Thank you, because, without you, we would

not have realized our

own ability to mobilize. It may serve no purpose this

time,

but it will doubtless be useful later on.



Now that there seems no way of silencing the drums of

war, I would like to

say, as an ancient European king said to an invader:

"May

your morning be a beautiful one, may the sun shine on

your soldiers' armor,

for in the afternoon, I will defeat you."



Thank you for allowing us - an army of anonymous

people filling the streets

in an attempt to stop a process that is already

underway - to know what it feels like to be powerless

and to learn to

grapple with that feeling and transform it.



So, enjoy your morning and whatever glory it may yet

bring you.



Thank you for not listening to us and not taking us

seriously, but know

that we are listening to you and that we will not

forget

your words.



Thank you, great leader George W. Bush.



Thank you very much.



The author is a Brazilian writer. This article

was originally published in Portuguese on the

Open Democracy Web site, at

www.opendemocracy.net

Offline geode

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« Reply #59 on: March 21, 2003, 03:16:51 AM »
btw i'm following the war in iraq thru abs-cbn.  buti nalang i got a tv-tuner :)